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To: verga
Peter speaks symbolically of baptism just as Paul contends in I Corinthians, verga. Were the occupants of the ark baptized by virtue of being guided safely through the water? Does Peter speak mechanically of the rite of baptism, as if the act alone has the power of salvation?

No, according to your cite, he elaborates that baptism saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body (not dependent upon a physical act that men can undertake) but as an appeal to God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is this that Paul rebuked the "some among you" at Corinth for overlooking, allowing a mechanical, almost magical belief in the ritual of baptism to overshadow the spiritual unity with Jesus Christ that is the purpose and the reality behind the representation.

This excessive faith in ritual fostered further belief that the physical actions of men can supplant the grace of God, and led to practicing baptism of the dead at Corinth by some, which Paul rebuked as being just as wrong as believing there will be no resurrection of the dead, which was believed and taught by the same people, contrary to the gospel that was taught and preached by Paul.

Surely as a Catholic you're not advocating the practice of baptizing the dead. If not, then how is this passage, even misinterpreted as somehow favoring purgatory, in any way in support of any other belief since there is no belief in the practice?

Well, Mormons believe in it. Christians including Catholics don't, unless I've been very remiss in understanding what I've been reading here on the FR religion forum for years. I believe in the resurrection of the dead. I do not believe in the baptism of the dead. I do not believe in purgatory. How about you?

89 posted on 12/24/2011 8:11:06 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
Peter speaks symbolically of baptism just as Paul contends in I Corinthians, verga. Were the occupants of the ark baptized by virtue of being guided safely through the water? Does Peter speak mechanically of the rite of baptism, as if the act alone has the power of salvation?

I got it so the Bible is lying when it doesn't say what you want it to say.

I have noticed over the years that many of you Protestants really don't believe what the Bible says ie .. this is My Body, This is my Blood etc.... You like to see symbols and metaphors where there are none.

I challenge you to go back and red what the Early Church fathers taught about Baptism, the Eucharist, Purgatory, etc..You find it very enlightening what has been taught from the very beginning of the Church.<>P>P.S. I noticed you didn't cite a chapter or verse for the sinners prayer, I find that odd.

91 posted on 12/24/2011 8:35:46 AM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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