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To: FatherofFive
>>Then which one is it?<<

It would be the totality of those who truly believe in Jesus as their savior and hold to faith in Christ alone for salvation. There is no earthly “organization” that encompasses the true “church” of Christ.

15 posted on 12/20/2011 10:40:57 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
It would be the totality of those who truly believe in Jesus as their savior and hold to faith in Christ alone for salvation. There is no earthly “organization” that encompasses the true “church” of Christ.

So I will ask this again, how would you make sense of the following Scripture?

"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Mat 81:15-18

So where do you take your concerns? Which Church? Makes no sense whatsoever without the visible Church Christ established with teaching authority, and the power to loose and bind. Christians can’t even agree on what the meaning of the word “is” is.

“My brother calls me a liar because I believe Christ when he said, “This is my Body” That is what Scripture says, in clear language. He says “This is” really means, “this represents”, even though the Scripture doesn’t really say that.” So, where can you get a definitive answer to this dispute? To which Church do you go?

20 posted on 12/20/2011 11:05:27 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: CynicalBear; FatherofFive
It would be the totality of those who truly believe

Interesting theory, but how does it fare in practice, in reality? Truly believe what about Jesus and salvation and according to whom?

And where do you then go to "take it to the Church"? Take it to "the totality"?

30 posted on 12/20/2011 1:44:49 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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