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To: LouAvul
Subject:  Wine and Grape Juice

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33 posted on 12/19/2011 11:11:28 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest

Excellent word study.

I’m not going to dispute your assertion; what I will dispute is that the Lord’s Supper “require” wine.

I see no reason why brandy couldn’t be used - even for pre-schoolers who’ve accepted the doctringe of the Gospel - instead of grape-juice (except for the fallibleness of Man).

I’m not going to argue against whatever New Testament practices and according to New Testament beliefs by like-minded congregations of New Testament doctrines may exist.


39 posted on 12/19/2011 11:21:09 PM PST by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: Yosemitest

I agree with your theological point, but your source makes some weird errors. Molasses has nothing whatsoever to do with wine, except that they can ferment also. Molasses is made from sugar beets or sugar cane, is far too sweet and thick to drink (thicker than honey, by far), and is the source for the alcohol in rum.

HOKAY nevermind, sorta: Apparently sometimes a thick, gooey product of figs, grapes, dates or carob is translated as “molasses.” I still can’t believe anyone insisting that ouinos would be translated as “molasses,” but then that’s your source’s point.


43 posted on 12/19/2011 11:31:34 PM PST by dangus
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To: Yosemitest
In the New Testament, one original Greek word for wine is oinos.

There are other words used ... For example ... Acts 2:13 uses γλευκους for "new wine" or "sweet wine" ... and 2:15 makes it clear it was not grape juice.

Jesus also used the phrase "fruit/produce of the vine" ... γεννηματος της αμπελου.

I suppose one could argue that there is nothing in the text of Jesus' statement in Matt 26 that demands fermentation; but Acts 2 seems clear.

Also, I recall notes from a lecture that mentioned the Jews DID have ways to prevent fermentation of grape juice.

65 posted on 12/20/2011 7:59:02 AM PST by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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