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"The Shroud is not a fake" (Scientists say there is no way to falsify or duplicate it)
Vatican Insider ^ | December 12, 2011 | MARCO TOSATTI

Posted on 12/14/2011 11:10:27 AM PST by NYer


The Holy Shroud

New research from ENEA on the sacred Linen kept in Turin

marco tosatti

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Enea, the National Agency for New Technologies, Energy and Sustainable Economic Development, has published a report on five years of experiments conducted in the ENEA center of Frascati on the “shroud-like coloring of linen fabrics by far ultraviolet radiation”. Simply put: we tried to understand how the Shroud of Turin was imprinted by an image so special that it constitutes its charm, and poses a great and very radical challenge, "to identify the physical and chemical processes capable of generating a color similar to that of the image on the Shroud. "

 

In the following article will see how this research developed (the complete version can be found at this link: opac.bologna.enea.it/RT/2011/2011_14_ENEA.pdf ).

Scientists (Di Lazzaro, Murra, Santoni, Nichelatti and Baldacchini)  start from the last (and only) comprehensive interdisciplinary exam of the sheet, completed in 1978 by a team of American scientists from Sturp (Shroud of Turin Research Project). A starting point which all too often those who write about and dissect the Shroud prefer not to take into account, in spite what is evidenced by available information verified by an accurate control on “peer reviewed” journals, that is, approved by other scientists in objective and independent ways.  The Enea report, with a lot of fair play and almost "en passant", very clearly refutes the hypothesis that the Shroud of Turin might be the work of a medieval forger.  The hypothesis was supported – against many weighted arguments – by the results of the disputable and probably biased - C14 measurements; a test whose credibility has been rendered ​​very fragile not only by objective difficulties (the possibility that the fabric is contaminated is very high, especially since  its historical journey is only partially known), but also from proven factual errors of calculation and the inability to obtain “raw data” from the laboratories for the necessary controls.  In spite of repeated requests. An omission which in itself can throw a heavy shadow over the scientific accuracy of the episode.

 

The report notes: “The double image (front and back) of a scourged and crucified man, barely visible on the linen cloth of the Shroud of Turin has many physical and chemical characteristics that are so particular that the staining which is identical in all its facets, would be impossible to obtain today in a laboratory, as discussed in numerous articles listed in the references.   This inability to repeat (and therefore falsify) the image on the Shroud makes it impossible to formulate a reliable hypothesis on how the impression was made.

 

In fact, today Science is still not able to explain how the body image was formed on the Shroud.  As a partial justification, Scientists complain that it is impossible to take direct measurements on the Shroud cloth.  In fact, the latest in situ experimental analysis of the physical and chemical properties of the body image of the Shroud was carried out ​​in 1978 by a group of 31 scientists under the aegis of the Shroud of Turin Research Project, Inc. (STURP).  The scientists used modern equipment for the time, made ​​available by several manufacturers for a market value of two and a half million dollars, and took ​​a number of non-destructive infrared spectroscopy measurements, visible and ultraviolet, X-ray fluorescence, thermograph, pyrolysis, mass spectrometry, micro-Raman analysis, transmission photograph, microscopy, removal of fibrils and micro-chemical tests”.  The analysis carried out on the Shroud did not find significant amounts of pigments (dyes, paints) nor traces of designs.  Based on the results of dozens of measurements, the STURP researchers concluded that the body image is not painted nor printed, nor obtained by heating.  Furthermore, the color of the image resides on the outer surface of the fibrils that make up the threads of the cloth, and recent measurements of fragments of the Shroud show that the thickness of staining is extremely thin, around 200 nm = 200 billionths of a meter, or one fifth of a thousandth of a millimeter, which corresponds to the thickness of the primary cell wall of the so-called single linen fiber.  We recall that a single linen thread is made ​​up of about 200 fibrils.

 

Other important information derived from the results of the STURP measurements are as follows: The blood is human, and there is no image beneath the bloodstains; the gradient color contains three-dimensional information of the body; colored fibers (image) are more fragile than undyed fibers; surface staining of the fibrils of the image derive from an unknown process that caused oxidation, dehydration and conjugation in the structure of the cellulose of the linen”.  In other words, the color is a result of an accelerated linen aging process”.

As already mentioned, until now all attempts to reproduce an image on linen with the same characteristics have failed.  Some researchers have obtained images with a similar appearance to the image of the Shroud, but nobody has been able to simultaneously reproduce all microscopic and macroscopic characteristics. “In this sense, the origin of the Shroud image is still unknown. This seems to be the core of the so-called “mystery of the Shroud”:  regardless of the age the Shroud, whether it is medieval (1260 - 1390) as shown by the controversial dating by radiocarbon, or older as indicated by other investigations, and regardless of the actual importance of controversial historical documents on the existence of the Shroud in the years preceding 1260, the most important question, the “question of questions” remains the same: how did that body image appear on the Shroud?”.

There are two possibilities, the scientists write, on how the sheet of the Shroud was placed around the corpse:  placed above and below (not in full contact with the whole body stiffened by rigor mortis) or pressed on the body and tied in order to be in contact with almost the entire body surface.

“The first method is supported by the fact that there is a precise relationship between the intensity (gradient) of the image and the distance between the body and the cloth.  Furthermore, the image is also present in areas of the body not in contact with the cloth, such as immediately above and below the hands, and around the tip of the nose.  The second method is less likely because the typical geometric deformations of a three dimension body brought into contact in two dimension sheet are missing.  Moreover, there is no imprint of body hips.  Consequently, we can deduce that the image was not formed by contact between linen and body”.

 

It is this observation, “coupled with the extreme superficiality of the coloring and the lack of pigments” that “makes it extremely unlikely that a shroud-like picture was obtained using a chemical contact method, both in a modern laboratory and even more so by a hypothetical medieval forger”.   “There is no image beneath the blood stains.  This means that the traces of blood deposited before the image was. Therefore, the image was formed after the corpse was laid down.  Furthermore, all the blood stains have well-defined edges, no burrs, so it can be assumed that the corpse was not removed from the sheet.  “There are no signs of putrefaction near the orifices, which usually occur around 40 hours after death.  Consequently, the image is not the result of  putrefaction gases and the corpse was not left in the sheet for more than two days”.

One of the assumptions related to the formation of the image was that regarding some  form of electromagnetic energy (such as a flash of light at short wavelength), which could fit the requirements for reproducing the main features of the Shroud image, such as superficiality of color, color gradient, the image also in areas of the body not in contact with the cloth and the absence of pigment on the sheet.  The first attempts made to reproduce the face on the Shroud by radiation, used a CO2 laser which produced an image on a linen fabric that is similar at a macroscopic level.  However, microscopic analysis showed a coloring that is too deep and many charred linen threads, features that are incompatible with the Shroud image.  Instead, the results of ENEA “show that a short and intense burst of VUV directional radiation can color a linen cloth so as to reproduce many of the peculiar characteristics of the body image on the Shroud of Turin, including shades of color, the surface color of the fibrils of the outer linen fabric, and the absence of fluorescence”. 

 

“However, Enea scientists warn, "it should be noted that the total power of VUV radiations required to instantly color the surface of linen that corresponds to a human of average height, body surface area equal to = 2000 MW/cm2 17000 cm2 = 34 thousand billion watts makes it impractical today to reproduce  the entire Shroud image using a single laser excimer, since this power cannot be produced by any VUV light source built to date (the most powerful available on the market come to several billion watts )”.

 

However the Shroud image “has some features that we are not yet able to reproduce – they admit - for example, the gradient of the image caused by a different concentration of yellow colored fibrils that alternate with unstained fibrils”.  And they warn: “We are not at the conclusion, we are composing pieces of a fascinating and complex scientific puzzle”.   The enigma of the image of the Shroud of Turin is still “a challenge for intelligence”,  as John Paul II said.



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To: dubyagee

You couldn’t be more right. And they know full well the thing isn’t worshiped, but it’s import that they bear that very false witness, wielding the shroud as a means to project their hatred on fellow Christians. Kinda sick.


41 posted on 12/14/2011 12:26:23 PM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Wuli
What the report cannot identify or confirm is “whose” image is represented in the shroud.

Yes, there were so many people resurrected from the dead back then, how would you ever know which one it was?
42 posted on 12/14/2011 12:29:02 PM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: cloudmountain

I’m guessing the whole “Doubting Thomas” episode got edited from his Bible...


43 posted on 12/14/2011 12:29:04 PM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: RnMomof7

If I kneel down in front of my bed to pray, does this mean I am worshiping my bed?


44 posted on 12/14/2011 12:29:33 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: pgyanke
I always want to ask the sola scriptura folks: Where is it written in the Bible that the Bible is the sole source? Or where is it written in the Bible that faith alone is the source?

When Jesus ascended into heaven, He did NOT yell down: "READ MY BOOK!"
Our Lord did NOT leave us a book; He left us TWELVE MEN, with Peter as the Rock, the Shepherd of the flock of Jesus' foundling Church. Thus we have the Apostolic Tradition and the Magesterium (all the bishops and the Bishop of Rome--the pope).
Peter's successors have been around in an unbroken line since then. Their names are engraved in granite in the Bascilica of St. Peter. The four names NOT there are the four popes who chose to serve out their papacy in Avignon. They were duly and correctly elected but did not serve in Rome.
Unbroken line of Peter's successors...what else to expect from what Jesus founded?

45 posted on 12/14/2011 12:31:25 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: NYer

Was Transfiguration the first time 34 thousand billion watts of radiation hit Christ`s clothes and the Shroud the second time?

St. Matthew (17:1-6),

Six days later, Jesus took with him Peter and James
and his brother John and led them up a high mountain,
by themselves. 2And he was transfigured before them,
and HIS FACE SHONE LIKE THE SUN, AND HIS CLOTHES BECAME DAZZLING WHITE.

St. Mark (9:1-8),
Six days later, Jesus took with him Peter and James
and John, and led them up a high mountain apart,
by themselves. And he was transfigured before them,
and HIS CLOTHES BECAME DAZZLING WHITE SUCH AS NO ONE ON EARTH COULD BLEACH THEM.

and St. Luke (9:28-36),
Now about eight days after these sayings Jesus
* took with him Peter and John and James, and
went up on the mountain to pray. And while he was praying,
THE APPEARANCE OF HIS FACE CHANGED AND HIS CLOTHES BECAME DAZZLING WHITE.

2 Peter 1:16-18
16 For we did not follow cleverly
devised myths when we made known to
you the power and coming of our Lord
Jesus Christ, BUT WE HAD BEEN EYEWITNESSES OF HIS MAJESTY. FOR HE RECEIVED HONOUR AND GLORY FROM GOD THE FATHER when that voice was
conveyed to him by the Majestic Glory, saying,
‘This is my Son, my Beloved,*
with whom I am well pleased.’

St. John (1:14),
AND WE HAVE SEEN and do testify that the Father has sent his Son as the Saviour of the world


46 posted on 12/14/2011 12:35:15 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
I’m guessing the whole “Doubting Thomas” episode got edited from his Bible...

What a SHAME if that were true. Thomas was US.
St. Thomas traveled all the way to India for his missionary work to "go teach all nations." When the Portuguese arrived in southern India they found Christians already there....many of the males were named "Thomas."

47 posted on 12/14/2011 12:35:22 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: SumProVita

If one does not understand what I wrote.. it might be that they are spiritually blind


48 posted on 12/14/2011 12:36:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

...OR...it might mean that someone else suffers from psychological projection...supreme ignorance...or self-righteousness.

May Christ, our Savior, grant us ALL ... HIS wisdom and insight.


49 posted on 12/14/2011 12:44:15 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: cloudmountain

Another good question is to ask what the BIBLE tells us is the foundation of all truth for the Christian?

;-))


50 posted on 12/14/2011 12:46:44 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita
Another good question is to ask what the BIBLE tells us is the foundation of all truth for the Christian?

Always a good one to ask!

51 posted on 12/14/2011 12:51:31 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: SumProVita

“...or self-righteousness.”

I think you nailed it. There’s a heapin’ helpin’ of that on this thread.


52 posted on 12/14/2011 12:54:29 PM PST by Magic Fingers
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To: SumProVita
May Christ, our Savior, grant us ALL ... HIS wisdom and insight.

You can find it in His word

53 posted on 12/14/2011 12:54:36 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: pgyanke

Indeed! The Sacred Scriptures are a great gift from our God.

;-)))


54 posted on 12/14/2011 12:55:52 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: RnMomof7

Yes, and we can also ask HIM for it. We often have not....because we ask not. Perhaps it’s because we think we already have all the answers. I think the more we grow in our relationship with Christ, the more we discover of how much re really didn’t know or understand. It’s a joyful, life process. God is sooo BIG that there is always more to discover.

:-)


55 posted on 12/14/2011 1:00:13 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: PaForBush; traderrob6; RnMomof7
As a devout Christian, I rather agree with his position. Anything that takes our attention away from God himself is a distraction - often a temptation from Satan.

Deut. 5:8 - God's commandment "thou shall not make a graven image" is entirely connected to the worship of false gods. God does not prohibit images to be used in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped. In Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31 - for example, God commands the making of the image of a golden cherubim. This heavenly image, of course, is not worshiped by the Israelites. Instead, the image disposes their minds to the supernatural and draws them to God. This is corroborated in Num. 21:8-9 - God also commands the making of the bronze serpent. The image of the bronze serpent is not an idol to be worshiped, but an article that lifts the mind to the supernatural. In fact, according to I Kings 6:23-36; 7:27-39; 8:6-67 - Solomon's temple contains statues of cherubim and images of cherubim, oxen and lions. God did not condemn these images that were used in worship. However, notice the distinction in 2 Kings 18:4 - it was only when the people began to worship the statue did they incur God's wrath, and the king destroyed it. The command prohibiting the use of graven images deals exclusively with the false worship of those images.

The Shroud is not an object of worship and certainly did not come from Satan as it bears the imprint of a crucified man wearing a crown of thorns. How many men were given that honor before they were hung from the cross?

As noted in Col. 1:15 - the only image of God that Catholics worship is Jesus Christ, who is the "image" (Greek "eikon") of the invisible God

56 posted on 12/14/2011 1:02:16 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: ZX12R

“Yes, there were so many people resurrected from the dead back then, how would you ever know which one it was?”

The image itself, and the unknown manner of how it was produced also does not confirm (prove) that the person in the image was “resurrected”. It can only confirm that the shroud was placed around whoever it is in the image. When, how, why and with whom cannot be determined by any facts that can be deciphered from the shroud alone.

Regardless, belief or non-belief in such things cannot be a determining factor in a Christian’s faith. It is enough that G-d knows more than we do, always, and we can leave understanding and confirmation of such things up to G-d. We can trust that G-d will answer such questions to ALL of us when and if it is important for us to have the answers. And by G-d, I do not mean some human activity claiming to be the work of G-d.


57 posted on 12/14/2011 1:04:11 PM PST by Wuli
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To: dubyagee

Apparently an amount of end-end spectrum UV light (34 thousand billion watts worth - lots of zeros there) which no modern technology can approach. It is not idolatry to be moved and awed by an evident fingerprint of God nor amused at some scientists’ desperate attempts to explain it away. Of course, a finger print is not itself the Entity (which we do worship) Who made it, and in a real sense every sunrise and our ability to contemplate and relish it is as much a fingerprint of God as the Shroud.


58 posted on 12/14/2011 1:10:55 PM PST by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: SumProVita
Yes, and we can also ask HIM for it.

The problem is if it is His wisdom in your mind..without affirmation of the scriptures it is nothing more false wisdom... one can ask Joseph Smith about that he thought he had a pipeline to God.. or Mohammed ....he had a personal line to the wisdom of god too ..problem is ...they are false gods..

Catholics love mysticism.. so this fits right into catholic beliefs..

59 posted on 12/14/2011 1:13:45 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: SumProVita

Answer: Jesus.


60 posted on 12/14/2011 1:16:26 PM PST by cloudmountain
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