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Posted on 12/12/2011 7:10:39 PM PST by RnMomof7
He became human through Mary. I love the image of Mary holding him at Christmas time......but you make a grave mistake to make assumptions about Catholics. Grow up.
Calling her "the Mother of God" is false and strongly implies that she was before God. She is/was the mother of Jesus in His humanity. She is/was only human, coming into existence somewhere not too long before the first century. Christ was preexistent before He allowed Himself to born into human flesh so that He could die for our sins as a man, as our substitute. The wages of sin is death. There is not remission of sins without the shedding of blood. Only Christ was worthy as The Perfect Lamb of God to be sacrifices for our sins.
I honor Mary as the person that The LORD chose to bear His son but she is not the Mother of God which would mean that she preexisted God.
Her proper title is the mother of Jesus the Nazarene, the Son of Man, as He more often called Himself than anything else. This is because God became a man so that He could become the second Adam. So that He could become our substitute and die for us, in our place on the cross fulfilling the the judgment that was due to us.
Once again when Catholics call Mary "the Mother of God" they are implying that she was before God. Mary is a created being, whereas Christ eternally always existed before He humbled Himself, to born as a babe for our sakes, to become our Saviour.
I honor her as blessed for being the mother of Jesus but I do not worship her nor do I perpetually reduce our fully grown LORD and Savior to a baby on her adult lap making Him seem as though He is perpetually subject to her and she is greater than He.
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Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
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Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.
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Jhn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Thank you for the reply, the info, and what is important to me — the personal narrative. I regard it as part of one’s witness. Thank you much for sharing.
Support what you say. Anyone can throw a grow up at someone but no one should do it without explaining why they would.
Time is a device used here on earth. Do you really believe time exists in Heaven?
uh,uh........not getting sucked in any deeper on one of these threads. I have no need to waste my time. Thanks, but no thanks.
That's really kind of ridiculous, sorry. She wasn't "before God," nothing "came before God," and no Catholic with a second-grade-or-better knowledge of their faith thinks otherwise.
But she was, and is, the Mother of God because Jesus is truly God and she truly became his mother. To deny that is to deny the Incarnation, and to become, well, like the Muslims.
Now if occasionally, maybe on her birthday or something, you brought out the family album and showed pictures from when she was a baby that would be different. To constantly show Christ as a baby is an affront to Him as a full grown man.
Newsweek was wrong when it said “we are all socialists now.”
We’re really all Muslim.
Denying that he was, and is, both 100% God and 100% man is a bigger insult and affront to the Truth -- and Jesus Christ is Truth personified -- than any picture anyone could paint, and yet there are so-called "Christians" (not Catholics, either) who do exactly that.
Don't ask me that question, ask The God of The Bible as it is The Bible that the verses about Christ being preexistent came out from. No offense, but you seem a bit confused.
I was hoping that was just a mistake.
But you never know with some of these people.
We get some unique perspectives on this site.
I guess so, then again I must not know Christianity well either.
The Eastern Greek part of the Roman Empire must have never became Christian, and all of the other Apostolic churches must have died out except for Catholicism.
All those so called “Coptic Christians” the Islamists are attacking must be misinformed as to their identity.
Nostra Aetate was part of the Vatican II robber's council which fraudulently introduced doctrine in conflict with previously established infallible doctrine.
The operable word is man. Christ came to become a man. It was as a fully grown man that He became our substitute and died on the cross. The constant image, put forth by Catholics, of Christ as a baby on His mother's lap is not respectful to His manhood and puts forth a false impression of who He is today. It causes the image of Mary being superior to Him to be ingrained into the minds of many Catholics.
How would you feel if your mother had baby pictures of you and constantly pulled them out and showed everyone your baby pictures though you were a full grown man. You would definitely be very embarrassed. This is what Catholics are doing to Christ when they constantly present Him to the world as a baby on the lap of His mother. It is not the proper image of a fully grown man. Pictures of you that your mother, if your were/are a man, would be constantly showing the world you would certainly hope would be as an adult. The only way your mother would constantly show baby pictures of you on her lap, if you are fully grown, would be if your mother was a little "off".
Because of how many Catholics venerate Mary to the extent that she is a goddess and have doctrines about her that hardly show a difference, whether Catholics want to admit it or not, what many Catholics end up doing is worshiping Mary.
In Scripture the admonition is clear and strong that we are to worship only God. These constant pictures of our fully grown Christ as a baby on His mother's lap do not help people realize that it is not she that is to be worshiped but rather The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Jesus, who is God, did become a man but we do not need constant pictures of Him as a baby to show this. He grew up!
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Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard [them]. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See [thou do it] not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Again, saying it doesn’t make it so. Back up what you say with facts. Document why this fellow is wrong.
I most certainly do not deny Jesus’ incarnation. What I deny is the strong implication in the title “mother of God” that Mary birthed or came before God. Yes, she is the mother of Christ who is God but she did not give birth to His “Godness” she gave birth to His person hood.
The Son was always God thoughout eternity past. Only God can attest to always existing. He became Jesus the son of Mary at a certain place and time in the history of mankind, which was something completely new. The title “mother of God” may cause many Catholics to be confused about who she is as many Catholics do worship her. Maybe you do not. I hope not. That does not mean that many others do not.
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