Posted on 12/12/2011 7:26:49 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
They may seem drastically different: a nonprofit that helps children build lemonade stands, an organization that encourages character building through sports and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But they all have the same underlying goal: to promote economic self-reliance.
The LDS Church Thursday was the last stop on a nationwide tour highlighting best practices in economic self-reliance. During a two day conference sponsored by The Philanthropy Roundtable, representatives from charitable foundations across the country took a tour through Welfare Square, the LDS Humanitarian Center and the Bishop's Central Storehouse.
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SZonian, what does that long cut-n-paste post have to do with the subject of the thread?
Religion Forum threads are "open" by default, i.e. posters may argue for and against beliefs, dieties, authorities, etc - and they may ridicule on "open" RF threads. They are in a town square format and are therefore often contentious.
Posters who cannot handle that type of debate should IGNORE "open" RF threads altogether and instead read and post to threads labeled "prayer" "devotional" "caucus" or "ecumenical."
What is the “Faith, Hope & Love church”?
Hmmm, I thought in reading your “big boy” comments [since deleted by the RM] that you might be capable of comprehending some of the more “charitable” aspect of LDS inc.
Apparently not...
See, unlike others, I make every effort to support my rebuttals with facts; not lies, ad hominems or petulant comments.
On what basis, show me where this "method" charity has to be earned or paid back according to the bible.
Or rather this is another mormon PR op.
“show me where this “method” charity has to be earned or paid back according to the bible. “
If a man is unwilling to work he should starve. Interesting that you support the welfare mentality.
The word ‘work’ shows up 555 times in the Bible. Must be important.
Prov 18:9 One who is slack in his work is brother to one who destroys.
A "man unwilling to work" isn't a charity case now is he. BTW, cite your bible - if you have one because I don't think you've cited it correctly.
We are told to take care of the widow and the fatherless - no reference to having to make them 'work' for it. Further, there is nothing requiring "work" for taking care of "the least of these" (MT:25) Romans 15 cites a collection for the poor in Jerusalem - no strings attached.
The fact of the matter is the context of 2 Thess 3:10 (there saved you from having to look it up - but try it anyway, good for the soul) reflect on freeloading, and not those in need. Those in need should do what they can to better their situation, and the church should help. But if those individuals think that charity/welfare is something owed to them - then they should work (scripture kicks in).
As for "welfare mentality", far be it. "Welfare mentality" includes forced taxation and the recipient demanding services as if it was a right. You would be hard pressed to make such a judgement stick.
Bottom line is that charity is appropriate to those who's circumstances out of their control affect their ability to support their family. That is the overall gist of those who should receive charity. Those who's circumstances are self-generated should receive some help provided they are correcting their lives. Those who demand charity and think it a right should not receive it. That's not welfare, thats scripture guidances.
“A “man unwilling to work” isn’t a charity case now is he.”
So you’re saying all those millions on welfare are ‘willing to work’? How naive
In their proper context - yes.
The word 'poor' occurs 205 times in the kjv
Widow = 55 times
Give - 880 times.
Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Did Jesus make a mistake her in not demanding that the poor work to earn the wealth? Better check out the use of poor in the bible eh drift? The destitute drift - those incapable of work or who's work was insufficient to provide for themselves or families. See my last post on biblical support to provide charity to these individuals without a required 'work' to pay back the charity - which is the case in mormon charity.
“BTW, cite your bible - if you have one”
Matthew 7:1-3
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
LOL, on your part - judging from an apparent reading comprehension challenge eh? There are many on welfare today who refuse to work and earn their living. Hint - that is the passage's core point. Further, had you bothered to read the post in its entirety - rather than scan for something to cherry pick, you would have read that there are probably many who due to circumstances beyond their control are unable to work, or work at a level to sustain their needs (not wants).
unwilling is not the same as unable, that you equate them speaks loudly
Ah, your version of charity eh? Perhaps you fail to realize that such crude applications also point three fingers back at you drift.
Jhn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Another swing and a miss drifty. I made a careful distinction between the two - the equating the two is a function of your attempt to build a strawman.
Ahh I guess thats your version of grace
No, more like mercy since I am not in the mood to write an extended exegesis on your mis-application of scripture within this topic. One verse was adequate to place it into context.
perhaps not, Satan knows the scripture quite well
Oh indeed, that is why scripture needs to be in context - just like Jesus did during the wildereness temptations. But then Christians recognize and emphasize that. Satan tends to prefer cherry picking.
Satan also tends to parse words.
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