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Posted on 12/10/2011 2:11:27 PM PST by NYer
Lutheranism is dead, or at least soon will be and it wants to take the Catholic Church with it.
Herbert W. Chilstrom is former presiding bishop of Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. Chilstrom has written an open letter to the Bishops of Minnesota asking them to accept gay 'marriage' becuase gays are like blacks or something.
May I share a word with all of you who now lead the Roman Catholic community of faith in Minnesota?
First, I would go to the wall to defend your right to work for the adoption of the so-called marriage protection amendment. Having said that, I must tell you that I believe you are making a significant mistake.
Over my 35 years as an active and retired bishop I have come to know hundreds of gay and lesbian persons. I have yet to meet even one who is opposed to the marriage of one man and one woman. After all, they are the daughters and sons of such unions.
What they cannot understand is why church leaders would oppose their fundamental desire and right to be in partnership with someone they love and respect who happens to be of the same gender and sexual orientation. They don't understand why they should not enjoy all the rights and privileges their straight counterparts take for granted.
More than a half century ago Father Francis Gilligan spoke out for equality for African American citizens of Minnesota. Though many argued on the basis of the Bible that these neighbors were inferior to others, Gilligan fought tirelessly for justice for these brothers and sisters.
In our generation homosexual persons are subject to the same discrimination. Their detractors often use the Bible and tradition as weapons of choice.
What strikes me about this letter is how utterly juvenile it is in its thinking and how insulting it is to the Catholic position.
Chilstrom challenges the Bishops to "Let me put out a challenge to each of you brothers. Invite 15 gay and lesbian persons from your respective areas, one at a time, to spend two hours with you."
In Chilstrom's mind, the problem is that we don't know and therefore don't like gay people. If we just got to know them, then all these problems would go away. How utterly juvenile. We know them, we love them, that is why we can never support this behavior becuase it destroys them body and soul.
It is no wonder that Lutheranism is dying a milquetoast death.
Ping!
Lutheranism isn’t dead, just the ELCA wing.
That’s the looney alphabet Lutherans. No Synod I consider real Lutherans, I think their concerns are more spiritual and less political.
Another attack on protestants, IMO.
There will never be such a thing as a same sex marriage.
Oh: They may call it that, bit is doesn’t exist.
The same privileges, the same rights’ sure but it isn’t a marriage.
WHY??? Because you dumb SOB’s the parts don’t fit in the right places.
It’s just that simple.
Christianity interferes with worship of the State. It must be watered down and devalued until it is nothing more than a social club. This is the mission of the Left.
Lutheranism isn’t dying. Just the ELCU.
I thank God that when my denomination goes bad I can depend on the Holy Spirit to bring me to a healthy church home.
ELCA of course.
These misguided folks are NOT Lutherans. At one time, I, too was ELCA. Left them 20 years ago for the REAL Lutheran church—the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.
Implying that the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is Lutheranism is just like me saying that Madonna is a good example of a Catholic.
LCMS and WELS are examples of true Lutheranism.
>>I thank God that when my denomination goes bad I can depend on the Holy Spirit to bring me to a healthy church home.
I’m a United Methodist and I ask God for guidance on that question every day. When do I stop working to preserve the UMC as one of Christ’s churches, and when do I admit defeat and move on?
If the Lutheran and Roman Catholic churches both DIED...
WOULD GOD BE DEAD?...
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Is God some religions doofus?
Faithful Lutherans can reliably be found in increasing numbers in communions of the Missouri and Wisconsion synods, the North American Lutheran Church and the LCMC.
It is true, the ELCA is a dead church walking, and, like TEC, in its death throes it is flailing and lashing out in all directions. Quite a disgusting and sorrowful sight. The Catholic bishops will of course ignore and graciously refrain from comment on this bizarre and absurd embarrassment to all real Christians. They know what has transpired in ELCA and have established increasing distance as a result.
so did I, I once lived in Iowa btw.
The Church cannot condone a class of relationship that always lacking fecundity and if sexual must involve sodomy or.
It’s a bit much for this goofus to invite the Catholic bishops to spend quality time with men who insert their erections into other men’s rectums, and women who orally stimulate eachothers’ vaginas.
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I love my father, my father loves me. Should we be allowed to marry?
And, If not, why not?
The Church cannot condone a class of relationship that always lacks fecundity and if sexual must involve sodomy.
It’s a bit much for this Lutheran goofus to invite the Catholic bishops to spend quality time with men who insert their erections into other men’s rectums, and women who orally stimulate eachothers’ vaginas.
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