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To: mas cerveza por favor
Even if one holds that Vatican II is completely infallible, it can be infallible only in its exposition of Catholic doctrine. Asserting that Muslims worship the same God as Christians is making an assertion about the doctrine and beliefs of a non-Catholic group. Therefore, neither that assertion, nor any other assertion about the beliefs of a non-Catholic religion or group is protected by the charism of infallibility.
32 posted on 12/10/2011 8:07:00 AM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: Campion
Asserting that Muslims worship the same God as Christians is making an assertion about the doctrine and beliefs of a non-Catholic group. Therefore, neither that assertion, nor any other assertion about the beliefs of a non-Catholic religion or group is protected by the charism of infallibility.

But yet are you not obligated to believe in and abide by your catechism??? I find it unusual to find Catholics who will publicly state that any part of the pope approved catechism is wrong...

42 posted on 12/10/2011 12:50:54 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Campion; Iscool; SumProVita
Asserting that Muslims worship the same God as Christians is making an assertion about the doctrine and beliefs of a non-Catholic group. Therefore, neither that assertion, nor any other assertion about the beliefs of a non-Catholic religion or group is protected by the charism of infallibility.

The Church does not claim competence on doctrines of particular non-Catholic religions. However, she does define important differences between the Catholic religion and non-Catholic religions in general.

The Church has always taught that all other religions are false and non-salvivic. This teaching is contradicted or at least obfuscated regarding Islam by Vatican II-Nostra Aetate and #841 of the CCC. Thus Muslims are cruelly misled about the necessity of their conversion to the Catholic Faith.

48 posted on 12/10/2011 3:31:36 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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