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From the article: “Instead, he says, the teachings of the Magisterium must be received as teachings given by pastors who are divinely guided.

This does not mean that the pastors are always infallible, but they are divinely guided even when they are not teaching infallibly, and so their teachings cannot be dismissed as merely temporary teachings or official opinions.”

Either you accept the Authority of the Church...or not.

By the way, is it possible that you are misunderstanding exactly what was stated? Why don’t you simply, as the author, Jimmy Akin, has stated...pray for the success of the Church in trying to heal any division/misunderstanding?


30 posted on 12/10/2011 6:00:47 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita; Campion; CynicalBear
From the article: “Instead, he says, the teachings of the Magisterium must be received as teachings given by pastors who are divinely guided. This does not mean that the pastors are always infallible, but they are divinely guided even when they are not teaching infallibly, and so their teachings cannot be dismissed as merely temporary teachings or official opinions.”

In the article Msgr. Ocariz considers non-infallible teaching in the context of "various levels of assent owed" where infallible teaching is owed a greater level of assent than non-infallible teaching. Let us apply this principle by comparing the Vatican II--Nostra Aetate statement:

The Church regards with esteem also the Muslims. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men.
and the CCC statement:
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330
to the long list of previously defined infallible teachings as typified by:
Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum--1914: "Such is the nature of the Catholic faith that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole, or as a whole rejected: This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved."
The non-infallible Nostra Aetate (and derived catechism) appears diametrically opposed to the infallible Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum. If so, the Catholic's assent owed to Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum supersedes his assent owed to Nostra Aetate.

Either you accept the Authority of the Church...or not.

Indeed. Then do we agree that Church Authority requires assent to Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum over Nostra Aetate?

41 posted on 12/10/2011 12:50:27 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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