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Coptic (Catholic) Patriarch maintains hope amid Islamist gains
cna ^ | December 2, 2011 | Benjamin Mann

Posted on 12/03/2011 1:57:13 PM PST by NYer

An election official (R) watches as an elderly man votes at a polling station in Old Cairo. Credit: Peter Macdiarmid/Getty Images News/Getty Images

Rome, Italy, Dec 2, 2011 / 08:07 pm (CNA/EWTN News).-

Coptic Catholic Patriarch Antonios Naguib remains hopeful for his country's future, even as Egypt's Islamic political parties seem poised to make the largest gains in parliamentary elections this week.

“We have a great hope that a better situation will come out,” Cardinal Patriarch Naguib told CNA Dec. 1, after the Nov. 28-29 vote for lower house representatives in nine of Egypt's 27 provinces.

“There are many groups that are convinced and working hard for democracy,” the Egyptian Eastern Catholic leader said, “and for a society and constitution based on human rights, and equality, and civic society.”

On Dec. 3 Egypt's military government is expected to announce the final results of the first round of voting since the departure of former president Hosni Mubarak in February 2011. Early predictions found secular and civic-oriented parties receiving only around 17 percent of the votes.

The Muslim Brotherhood-linked Freedom and Justice Party reportedly won 40 percent of this week's votes, while the hardline Islamic Salafist movement was said to have received another 20 percent.

“We must learn to live with that,” the patriarch said, acknowledging political Islam as a force in Egypt's future.

Such parties, he predicts, will not achieve an absolute dominance.

“They are presenting themselves as the majority, (that) they will have the highest place and the highest percent of everything. But the impression is that the result will be much less than that.”

“We have much hope that after declaration of the results, there will be a good place for the democratic and civic groups and orientation.”

These groups, Patriarch Naguib said, would work to secure a place in society for Egypt's historic Coptic Christian communities.

Christians' political voice depends in part on how Egypt's new government will form after elections, and who will become prime minister. Catholics, Orthodox, and other Christians make up about 10 percent of the Muslim-majority population.

The cardinal says his hope for peaceful Christian-Muslim coexistence “also depends on the results of these elections.”

“If Islamists will be a real majority, this will be a great problem,” he said.

But “if they will have a place which is sure, but in a moderate and amicable way,” he expects “life will be much easier for everybody.”

The strictest Muslim political ideology, he pointed out, excludes even members of the same religion.

“For instance, the Salafists do not want to leave a place to the Muslim Brothers, because they say they are too moderate and Islam is not like that according to their understanding, which is not right.”

For the moment, Patriarch Naguib is grateful that Egypt's first post-Mubarak elections happened without violence, after a tumultuous run-up period in which protesters and police clashed in Cairo.

“Thanks be to God, the last two days when elections were made went quietly and well. There were some transgressions from the part of the Islamists, but with no violence.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Islam
KEYWORDS: copt; egypt
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1 posted on 12/03/2011 1:57:20 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

The Catholic Church

2 posted on 12/03/2011 1:58:30 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

Hope?

They are pining for the fjords at this point, unless they organize and arm themselves.


3 posted on 12/03/2011 2:06:04 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: NYer

Between the Salifists and the Muslim Brotherhood you have a 60% radical Islamist majority who want to kill the Christians and Jews. Soon, the vast majority of the Muslim world will look like this.


4 posted on 12/03/2011 2:14:15 PM PST by JimSEA (The future ain't what it used to be.)
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To: JimSEA

The Coptic leadership has been extremely pro-muslim for a very long time. Real Copts who aren’t extremists need to leave the country and the leadership like this so-called pope or whatever they call him need to face the music.


5 posted on 12/03/2011 2:24:36 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: bigdirty
The Coptic leadership has been extremely pro-muslim for a very long time.

That is a ridiculous statement. It sounds like you are trying to justify the Western sellout of Middle Eastern Christians.

6 posted on 12/03/2011 2:32:21 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: JimSEA
If we had a smart and pro-Christian government right now, there would be an outreach to the Egyptians, especially the women who could become a swing vote who might vote with the Christian minority. Egyptian women need to know what is going on in the more extreme Muslim countries, such as Afghanistan under the Taliban. The Muslim clergy are fooling the women, talking them into wearing the *veil* which seems to be a mark of identity and breaking away from their mothers’ generation that mostly did not wear the veil. You can see pictures of college classes of women thirty years ago in Muslim countries and they are not wearing the veil. It is something that has been resurrected from the precolonial days before Western influences came to the MIddle East. Now there seems to be an anti-colonial spirit that is carrying women into a future that they will regret. Look at what happened in Iran thirty years ago. Many young people joined in the pro-Islamic revolution and now they are living under oppression. The Muslim clergy are making rose-colored promises that an Islamic state will bring justice and a better society but women will suffer as they do in all Islamic states.

If we had a state department that really valued Western ideals, including the Christian way of life, there would be a strong outreach to women as well as secular people and Christians. These three groups can make a strong coalition that can stop Egypt from going back into the dark ages. We should press Egypt to include women's rights and religious rights in its constitution.

7 posted on 12/03/2011 2:55:48 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

Muslim women in Egypt probably don’t even know about how the Taliban treated women or how Iran oppresses people. I am sure that Egyptian media is heavily censured and will not say anything critical of fellow-Muslim countries. Is there American radio in Egypt? We need radio-free-Middle East.


8 posted on 12/03/2011 3:00:26 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: NYer

Look for the armed forces to step in again if things “get out of hand”.


9 posted on 12/03/2011 4:23:13 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: NYer

Very soon now, you will have to use the past tense when referring to the Coptics, Christians, or other minority religions in Egypt (or all of Northern Africa for that matter).


10 posted on 12/03/2011 6:12:39 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: NYer

I wonder why they insist on referring to him as Cardinal Naguib. The proper address of an Eastern Christian hierarch is by his first name.

It would be considerably rude to refer to the current Roman Pontiff as Pope Ratzinger.


11 posted on 12/03/2011 6:37:01 PM PST by rzman21
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Thanks NYer. He should try breaking the Prozacs in half.
12 posted on 12/03/2011 9:25:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NYer

The Dhimmi have no hope but appeasement. Obama will not help them. Our State Department gives prefference to Muslim economic immigrants over Christians in the Middle East who need refuge. The UN is dominated by the OIC. Europe is post-Christian and increasingly Muslim. The USS.. er Putin’s Russia is helping Iran.


13 posted on 12/03/2011 11:26:27 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew

After next year’s Presidential elections,when we have a new President, things hopefully will ease.


14 posted on 12/05/2011 2:48:20 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Look for more Middle Easten Christians to be coming to the USA and he could be among them.


15 posted on 12/05/2011 2:49:29 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Other than for the USA, the only other nation that will be “safe” for Middle Eastern Christians will be Israel.


16 posted on 12/05/2011 2:50:42 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Middle Eastern Christians need less liturgy and more ammo.


17 posted on 12/05/2011 8:03:26 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NYer

Any ideas on ways to help the Copts and other endangered Eastern Christians?


18 posted on 12/05/2011 10:49:34 AM PST by omega4412
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To: JPX2011

I thoughr you might enjoy this article.


19 posted on 12/05/2011 10:55:36 AM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: Judith Anne

Good Morning Judith,

Thank you for the ping. I’m glad that someone has hope in Egypt. I’ve been increasing saddened by the persecution of our brothers and sisters in the Middle East.

I do not believe that peaceful co-existence with Islam can be achieved. The only thing to do now is to pray for mass conversion.

To that end I’ve read some interesting stories about the Isa al Masih (The man in white) appearing to Muslims in their dreams and being reponsible for their conversion to Christianity. I believe an Egyptian Imaam once said that this is resulting in 6 million conversions per year. I don’t know if that is accurate or not, but one can hope.

Best Regards


20 posted on 12/05/2011 11:24:05 AM PST by JPX2011
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