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To: Rashputin

Rather than a not-so-subtle deflection of the thread topic into a drive-by shot at Martin Luther, why don’t you answer a simple question? If the deuterocanonical books Luther said, in agreement with the OT church and much of the ancient NT church, were outside of the canon, if they were - can you operate with that for a moment on a purely theoretical level? - precisely which doctrines of the Holy Scriptures would be left unrepresented in the remaining canon?

As an example, let us that any one of the four gospels were left out of the canon - remember, this is theoretical, on one is advocating this!!! - which doctrine(s) of the Holy Scriptures would we lack support for in what remains?


19 posted on 12/01/2011 8:27:16 AM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Belteshazzar
How can any non-Catholic Christian pretend to be shocked by another religion altering their canon? After all, they're not throwing them out and only then discovering that all you need is their scriptures the way Luther did. If he had had his way, Hebrews, James, Jude, Revelation, and one other book of the NT would be gone as well rather than just some books in the OT. OT books that the Jews hated for containing such clear prophecy of Christ that they were the best books to use to convert Jews to Christianity. Anyone who cares to can find what Luther himself wrote, what doctrines he threw out, which new ones he pulled out of thin air, and exactly why he wanted to throw out Scripture.

Is that Better? Luther was a dolt if not a heretic and I don't see how anyone can be shocked by another religion changing their canon if they're part of any sort of Protestant or Protestant derived religion, including "Independent my own Pope" ones. Sure, Mormons wrote them self a brand new book, but Luther changed the interpretation and canon of existing Scripture so much he may as well have just done the John Smith. Even Calvin wrote a book he claimed should be included in the canon as being equal to anything the Apostles wrote, so far from being a big brave guy, Luther was just a horny drunk who couldn't get his own head around Grace. There, no drive by.

Now, exactly what's the big deal about Mormons doing far less than Luther the dolt did? And I ask that having spent the majority of my life a devout Lutheran. Right up until I found and read as many of his own writings as I could find rather than accepting the BS about him. Anyone who reads all of what Luther and Calvin wrote will either be some flavor of Catholic by the time they're finished, or never believed in anything but their own intellect to begin with.

JMHO

have a nice day

22 posted on 12/01/2011 9:12:52 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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