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To: campaignPete R-CT
Pete, none of three qualifiers in that argument could apply, because, as has been stated by the Catholic Church, there is no evil in the world today nor has there ever been in the history of the world, proportionate to the evil of abortion.
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Kansas City Bishops Say No “Proportionate” Reason to Vote for Pro-Abortion over Pro-life Candidate

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2008/sep/08091604

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Voting and abortion: Bishop Myers clarified “proportional reasons”: there aren't any...
http://www.tldm.org/News7/Myers.htm

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Where Faith and Politics Intersect, Part III - There Is No Evil Today Proportionate to Abortion

http://catholicism.about.com/b/2009/05/11/where-faith-and-politics-intersect-part-iii.htm

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CATHOLIC FAQs
MORALITY
Excerpt:
Here the reasonable gain obtained by the use of the double effect (if it truly were indirectly willed only, which it is not) would not in any way be proportionate to the horrible evil of abortion and the scandal would be immense.

http://www.sspx.org/catholic_faqs/catholic_faqs__morality.htm

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No Proportionate Reason to Vote for a Pro-Abortion Candidate

http://www.opposingviews.com/arguments/no-proportionate-reason-to-vote-for-a-pro-abortion-candidate

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Catholics Voting Pro-Choice Are Excommunicated Automatically

http://www.archive.org/details/CatholicsVotingPro-choiceAreExcommunicatedAutomaticallyPro-life

Excerpt:
From the “Catechism of the Catholic Church”, “2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,” “by the very commission of the offense,” and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.” If I vote for a pro-abortion candidate (pro-choice), and that candidate supports legislation to legalize abortion, then I have formally co-operated in making it possible for babies to be murdered. If fact, section 2272 above says that a person who does so is automatically excommunicated!! Roman Catholics must vote for a Pro-life President, not Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, since the Church teaches that formal cooperation (voting for pro-abortion candidates) in an abortion is an grave offense. Film from Rosemary Vivianne.

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Abortion and Excommunication

http://www.catholicplanet.com/articles/article78.htm
Excerpt:

Any Catholic politician who casts a vote with the intention of legalizing abortion, or of protecting laws allowing abortion, or of widening access to abortion, commits a mortal sin.

When such a vote indicates that the Catholic politician believes that abortion is not always gravely immoral, such a politician incurs a sentence of automatic excommunication, under canons 751 and 1364, because of heresy.

When such a vote is intended to have the effect of making abortion legal, or more easily obtainable, or more widely available, such a politician incurs a sentence of automatic excommunication, under canon 1398, as someone who is attempting to provide substantial or essential means for women to obtain abortions. Catholic politicians who pass laws which legalize, protect, or widen access to abortion, are providing essential assistance to women who want to obtain abortions.

It is not sufficient for Catholic politicians to claim that they are “personally opposed” to abortion. If any Catholic politician favors legalized abortion, despite a claim of personal opposition, such a politician commits a mortal sin by promoting abortion and by voting in favor of abortion.

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No Faithful Catholic May Vote for a Pro-Abortion Candidate
http://www.opposingviews.com/arguments/no-faithful-catholic-may-vote-for-a-pro-abortion-candidate
Excerpt:
The Church does acknowledge that voters may vote for a pro-abortion candidate, using what Pope Benedict XVI (writing shortly before his election to the papacy) calls “proportionate reasons.”

A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favor of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.

But these proportionate reasons are largely assumed not to exist except in a single case, and that is when both candidates in a race are pro-abortion. When, however, there is a clear choice between the candidates—as in the current presidential race—a faithful Catholic must vote for the one who opposes abortion. Barack Obama receives the National Abortion Rights Action League’s highest rating (100%) and its endorsement. John McCain received 0% from NARAL, and he has always been anti-abortion.

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Bishop Vasa: Pro-Abortion Candidates are ‘Disqualified’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2081495/posts

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Bishop Gracida explains why pro-abortion Catholics must be excommunicated

“All other grave social issues,” he points out, “such as war, poverty, health, economic justice, immigration, etc. are of secondary importance and indeed pale in comparison to innocent human life under systematic annihilation.”

Bishop Gracida issued the interdiction in 1994 forbidding a politician from receiving Communion, yet he “felt that limiting Interdiction in the internal forum was important not only for the spiritual well being of the person being interdicted, but also for the spiritual good of the community.”

But, he says “in 1995 Pope John Paul II concluded that it was urgent to promulgate the Encyclical Evangelium Vitae. Some 12,000,000 abortions later, it has become crystal clear that the politician who actively engages his political skills to maintain abortion-on-demand and who protects the ongoing genocide by voting for legislation in favor of abortion formally cooperates in the evil of abortion itself.”

“In reality,” says the bishop, “the distinction between the abortionist and the politician is almost nominal: One, a murderer, is guilty of directly procuring abortions; the politician, makes it legally possible for the genocide to continue unabated.”

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/bishop_gracida_explains_why_proabortion_catholics_must_be_excommunicated/

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Pope says bishops must educate faithful to vote against abortion
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Certain actions and political policies, such as abortion and euthanasia, are “intrinsically evil and incompatible with human dignity” and cannot be justified for any reason, the pope said.

While some may claim they support abortion or euthanasia to defend the weak and the poor, “who is more helpless than an unborn child or a patient in a vegetative or terminal state?” he said.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1004432.htm

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83 posted on 12/06/2011 8:07:59 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: jacknhoo

“But these proportionate reasons are largely assumed not to exist except in a single case, and that is when both candidates in a race are pro-abortion. “

THANK YOU FOR AGREEING WITH ME. MORE EVIDENCE TO BACK UP MY CASE.

as we discussed, in CT & MA both candidates are usually ‘pro-choice.’ Few exceptions. The decision is between a NARAL pro-abortion leftist, or a “pro-choice” candidate who wants to put restrictions on abortion such as parental notification ... and has an excellent pro-family record.

Only a fool would say, “none of the above.”


84 posted on 12/06/2011 1:10:32 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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To: jacknhoo

I am defending Bishop Myers’ position on the matter.

(a) both candidates would have to be in favor of embryo killing on roughly an equal scale or (b) the candidate with the superior position on abortion ....

VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE WITH THE SUPERIOR POSITION ON ABORTION


85 posted on 12/06/2011 1:20:17 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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