Second, Kudos to Kreeft.
Third:
Canon Law: Anyone having an abortion or knowingly participating in an abortion is automatically excommunication.
Can. 1398 A person who actually procures an abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.
Can. 1329 §2 In the case of a latae sententiae penalty attached to an offense, accomplices, even though not mentioned in the law or precept, incur the same penalty if, without their assistance, the crime would not have been committed, and if the penalty is of such a nature as to be able to affect them; otherwise, they can be punished with ferendae sententiae penalties.
Exceptions exist (Canons 1322-1325, 1328).
If congregations are taught correctly, from the pulpit or in writings of the bishop, a Catholic's ignorance would not be an excuse.
A bishop is bound to instruct his people on matters of faith and morals.
To vote for anyone who is pro abortion (this includes pro-choice...no splitting hairs) is a mortal sin, an excommunicatable offense.
To give Holy Communion to a person knowing that he or she is in a state of mortal sin subjects the Eucharistic minister, whether they be a priest or not, to latae sententiae excommunication for desecration of the Holy Eucharist.
Regarding this desecration:
Can. 1367 One who throws away the consecrated species or, for a sacrilegious purpose, takes them away or keeps them, incurs a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See; a cleric, moreover, may be punished with some other penalty, not excluding dismissal from the clerical state (too bad so many Bishops, priests, deacons, etc, let their light be dimmed).
Giving Jesus to a publicly known grave sinner is the cause of grave scandal (Just think of all the so-called Catholic politicians and those who voted for them and Obama...all excommunicated - a great loss).
According to Nacy Pelosi, Jesus was right? /s =.=
Liberals cant be true Catholics because so much of their ideology ie abortion and gay rights goes directly agaisnt Church teachings. Of course that doesn’t stop plenty of so called Catholics from voting Democrat or being liberal.
As far the political definitions no they can’t. They can claim to be, and they certainly do in great numbers, but the Catholic faith is very clear as far as homosexuality and abortion are concerned, something they choose to refuse to believe.
Churches in the UK for example are closing at an alarming rate because the idiots that run the church have watered it down.
The result, it just becomes a rather poor excuse for a church as it has abandoned everything the church was built upon.
I can’t see how ANY Christian can even be democrat, much less liberal.
I am, of course, excluding the unitarians, THEY probably see that Jesus wants you to become an abortionist. </ 1/2 sarc>
Every single catholic Ive ever met or known was a liberal.just sayin,,
I submit that this isn't, or shoudn't be, "bold". It should be undeniable and obvious, for two reasons.
One, abortion is a more serious sin than molestation. Abortion's victims are dead, practically 100% of the time; that's the whole point of the "procedure". It's murder.
Two, justifying and defending a serious sin, and promoting it as a good, is always much more seriously sinful than merely committing it and knowing you're doing evil. The first (a) gives greater scandal; and (b) immunizes people against repentance.
Can a Catholic relentlessly indulge in and encourage jealousy, envy, covetousness, bitterness and theft? I guess I will have to leave that one to the theologians.
Many catholics I know are very class-warfare.
As long as they don’t support pro-abort candidates!
Given the USCCB's support of illegal immigration, universal healthcare, and union organizing, and the Pope's support of their doing so, I think the better question to ask is "Can a Catholic also be a conservative?"
Can you be Catholic and American?
From Matthew 22:36-38:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said to him: You shall love the Lord your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment.
Note, worship of God is a greater commandment than “thou shalt not kill”.
Yet, in the US, there is freedom of religion. You can be one of those pagan wiccan types if you like here.
Do you expect your Catholic political leaders to change the constitution to enforce worship of God?
Should they be excommunicated if they support freedom of religion?
The lack of public discipline as concerns the abortion issue is a scandal that dwarfs the homosexualist priest scandal.
Freegards
Catholicism created many liberal values, but did so on religious, not philosophical grounds. This is a critically important distinction, because both compromises and absolutes are wildly different between the two.
From Catholicism’s point of view, it does such things because it is required or forbidden to by heaven, or it is general alignment with, or general conflict with, concepts promulgated in heaven.
This determines their absolutes, what is required and what is forbidden; but it also determines what actions or omissions are circumstantial and judgmental.
But from philosophical liberalism’s point of view, it is solely based on the desires of the individual, for their own gratifications, aversions, and prejudices. Though they often assign what they personally want to what all mankind wants.
Unfortunately, Catholics are just as prone as everyone else to mental illness, neurosis, fanaticism, cynicism, and the deadly sins as well. Which means that philosophical liberalism appeals to them far more than religious values, as they become self-centered, and embrace the “cafeteria Catholic” point of view.
So, to rephrase the question, “Could a liberal ever embrace Catholicism?”, which amounts to “Can a man ever be redeemed?” The answer to which is an obvious “yes, but not always.”
I see the Vatican doing a LOT of reining-in of a number of Catholics who claim to be Catholic and liberal as well.
Later someone asked Miller why he didn't change parties. He said that being a Democrat was like being in one's family house. The house may be old, run down and in need of repair. One tried to fix that old house but one just didn't move...it was home.
Perhaps one can be a Democrat like that, with the soul of a Republican. Perhaps.
My husband gave me a recording of that speech; I wonder if I still have it. It was ONE HECK OF A SPEECH. Miller would have been an OUTSTANDING preacher.
Here’s Kreeft’s website: http://peterkreeft.com/audio.htm
That link take you to his audios. A treasure trove of sanity.
Yes.
If you’re liberal because you are stupid, ignorant, or misinformed, I don’t see why you still can’t be considered Catholic.
“In the Spirit: Can a Catholic also be a liberal?”
I was under the impression that most are.
Liberalism is the first religion of cafeteria catholics.