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im not so concerned with our non-catholic brethern tossing out their scripture grenades for what the feel are some sort of proof texts...im asking why someone isnt taking the intial article and going down point by point to refute......good grief, even morons like obama have attempted to quote scripture, but when it lacks conherence, itz like watching the replies to this thread.....


156 posted on 11/29/2011 6:05:52 AM PST by raygunfan
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Ok - here you go.
1.This is good and pleasing to God our savior, who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth (1 Tm 2:3-4).

No disputes here. It’s a quantum leap to take this and say “This means the Catholic church”. No such inference is even suggested in this scripture.

2. But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tm 3:15).

Agreed again. Where does it say that the “Catholic Church” is this truth? Any church could say this. There is no evidence here supporting the Catholic position.

3. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming (Jn 16:13).

Agreed. He will guide to all truth. He’s guided me to my faith in a non-Catholic church.

4. If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector. Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven (Mt 18:15-18).

Agreed. Again - no support that “The Church” is “The Catholic Church”. The Church is the body of believers. No denomination is inferred.

5.And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Mt 16:18-19).

Amen! Peter was the leader of the first church. No inference it that church being the Catholic church.

5. Now there was a Pharisee named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. He came to Jesus at night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God, for no one can do these signs that you are doing unless God is with him.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a person once grown old be born again? Surely he cannot reenter his mother’s womb and be born again, can he?” Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit (Jn 3:1-5).

Our church baptizes people almost every Sunday. It occurs once people confess Jesus as Lord.

8. I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died; this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.” The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?” Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.” These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum. Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?” Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you? What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him. And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.” As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him (Jn 6:48-66).

Communion is a very important part of our church. We do it every Sunday. In John 16:25 Jesus says “Up until now I’ve spoken to you figuratively. I will now speak to you plainly”. He said this AFTER the Lord’s supper.

If the bread and wine literally become the flesh and blood - AWESOME!!!! Let’s get it to a lab and do some DNA analysis. I’d love to know what color Jesus’ eyes were and just in general, more about what He looked like.

9. en he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you (Lk 22:19-20).

Same answer as #8.

9. See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24).

Wow! I’d sure love to see the Catholics I work with realize that spending half the day on personal phone calls and turning a blind eye to abuse doesn’t speak well of their “works”.

BTW - good luck with the name-calling. That should bring a lot of people into the Kingdom.


161 posted on 11/29/2011 6:29:56 AM PST by Country Gal
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