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To: Iggles Phan
Saint Paul clearly stated the opposite. Proof text - I Cor 15: 50:
“Flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the Kingdom of God.”

But yet, your religion claims that it is the Kingdom...The Catholic Church is the Kingdom...

Jesus repudiated this whole idea of an earthly carnal kingdom of God and transferred its expectations to the eternal rest of the saints in Heaven in a purified and Spiritual manner of life.

Do you really think that God will set up a ‘Christian Police State’ in the future? That sounds like spiritual communism to me.

So the idea of Jesus reigning as King is a police state??? And heaven is strictly a spiritual 'state of mind', eh??? You mean like this?

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And yet you guys claim Jesus is ruling with a rod of iron right now...

HaHaHa...You are so far out they're losing you on the radar...

568 posted on 12/03/2011 9:26:01 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool

“But yet, your religion claims that it is the Kingdom...The Catholic Church is the Kingdom...”

Answer:

This is an interesting, yet revealing reply.

Instead of dealing with the verses that I provided, showing that God has no plan for a carnal kingdom on earth, this author chooses to change the topic and make an assumption about my denomination.

On both accounts this author is 100% wrong.

What kills me is that he then goes off ‘high fiving’ himself as if this reply actually ‘wins’ the debate for his side. I guess in this author’s mind, self-esteem is more important than honest discussion.

Heh???


580 posted on 12/04/2011 6:13:28 AM PST by Iggles Phan
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To: Iscool

“Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And yet you guys claim Jesus is ruling with a rod of iron right now...”

Answer:

Hang on a minute. Let’s get this passage in full context instead of ‘cherry-picking’ verses.

[11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. [12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. [13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. [14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. [15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. [16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

So ... you believe that Jesus is carnally going to ride a Pegasus-type horse, carnally have a dagger in His mouth, carnally have fire-eyes, and carnally start stabbing people?

I have to respectfully disagree. Revelation is filled with Apocolyptic symbolism and this is one of the more obvious passages. I think you have an obsession of carnal fulfillment.

The earth is not God’s Kingdom.

Jesus said before Pilate and the Sanhedran, “My kingdom is not of this world.”

Jesus says the earth is clearly His footstool, not His Kingdom.

Matt 5:35 - Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Acts 7: 49 - Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?


581 posted on 12/04/2011 7:07:27 AM PST by Iggles Phan
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