| Quix quote earlier |
HarleyD's Response |
Quix's current reply |
| There are other passages indicating God's DETERMINATION to use ISRAEL as a NATION OF PRIESTS | I wouldn't disagree with that. The issue is who is Israel? Paul stated that believers were Israel. |
1. I am still mystified with the seemingly compulsive reflex to turn Scripture on it's head and the grafting in backwards. 2. ISRAEL IS the genetic blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. 3. Yes, those accepting Christ as their Savior are GRAFTED INTO ISRAEL--THEY ARE NOT REPLACING ISRAEL BY ANY MEANS TO ANY DEGREE! There's NOTHING in any of Paul's writings which indicate that Christians are replacing ISRAEL. None. 4. CHRISTIANS, as it were, are ADOPTED IN to legal, spiritually legal, genetic ISRAEL by FATHER GOD'S GRACE. Period. There's NO REPLACING Israel by The Church. None. 5. Paul speaks entirely of Christians being 'folded into' Abraham's seed, as it were. BY FAITH. |
| . . . our being GRAFTED INTO the same or similar role to Israel's service as a nation of priests." | What you're saying is that we are part of Israel's priesthood. Are you saying we are grafted in with the Levites? (not all Jews are priests). | 1. God declares that Christians are GRAFTED IN; ADOPTED INTO Abraham's seed. 2. That entails, to me, becoming in some sense and degree--probably more or less equal though possibly with different roles--part of ISRAEL'S NATION OF PRIESTS--AS A NATION--to the world and to all Creation. 3. I don't detect in Scripture any big distinction--in terms of the Millenial reign of Christ or after that--between the Levi's and the rest of Israel in terms of priestly duties--EXCEPT, perhaps--some few very specific duties at the TEMPLE's Holy of Holies. Perhaps Uriel 2012 and/or Roamer_1 can enlighten us on their perspectives on that issue. 4. There is little said in Scripture about Christians as part of the Nation of Israel or about genetic Israel as a Nation serving as priests to the world and all Creation. There's cryptic indicators of that--but only cryptic indicators. |
| Evidently you are forgetting that The LION of JUDAH is JEWISH! LOL. | And you're forgetting that the tribe of Judah were not priests. | 1. My point was that Christ is JEWISH. CHRIST carries Christians INTO CHRIST'S genetic Abrahamic seed Family/Nation. 2. You had pointed out earlier that Christ was a priest after the order of Melchizedek vs after the order of Aron & Levi. Are you withdrawing that point? LOL 3. I gather from the cryptic Scriptures that say anything about the Millenial reign priesthood of Israelites & Christians at all--or even hint in that direction--that our genetics won't be an issue regarding our priestly status and service. |
| It's just that God has His own timing and route for each individual and certainly for the Nation of Israel as to how to get [fully inserted into their National role as priests to the world and all Creation--with Christians incorporated as fully adopted into Abraham's seed.] | I believe I agreed on one of my posts that God raises and lets fall ALL nations. The simple fact that Israel exists shows that it is within His divine purpose. And there may be tribulations. But that does not mean that He blesses them any more than He blesses anyone else. | 1. Sorry, HarleyD--that's just unmitigated UNBiblical nonsense. I have posted Scriptures clearly nuking such assertions most emphatically. Y'all arbitrarily discount them as not applying due to some mystifying gah-gah mis-interpretation of Paul's writings OR some mystifying willfully blind bias. It's hard to fathom. 2. Nevertheless, I hope to compile at least 50% and as close to 100% of the many verses indicating such. 3. I do NOT have ANY confidence that any of you will respect the Word of God on such matters sufficiently to learn something. Nevetheless, I want to try and offer the Biblical evidence in one place to at least give folks I care about a chance to learn something 'new' from the Word of God on the matter. 4. When God declares that He WILL BLESS THOSE WHO BLESS ISRAEL AND CURSE THOSE WHO CURSE ISRAEL--HE MEANS IT. He has NOT rescinded that declaration/promise/commitment. You cannot show me a single particle of a single verse of Scripture that indicates otherwise. 5. BTW, IIRC, 75% or so of the Nobel winners are of Israeli genetics. God is not finished blessing the whole world and all creation through genetic Israel. |
You should know by now that we can (and should) be able to respectfully disagree without throwing each of us under the bus. I see this a lot with Republicans who have one favorite candidate in mind and are willing to toss all the other good conservative candidates out the window. (They can toss out Mitt Romney.)
This is why I normally don’t like discussing the end times because people get defensive. The end times is a very complex thing. I enjoy your posts Quix and your witness and testimony. I just happen to think you’re incorrect on this matter. You happen to think that I’m wrong on this. All this says is that God hasn’t illuminated this part of scripture to one or both of us.
But someday you’ll see how right I was. ;O)