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To: RnMomof7

****The Nt church was not the Roman catholic church****

Well, you are half right, again.

the NT church began in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost which grew based upon the foundation Christ laid with His Apostles. The Catholic Church is indeed the same one seen in the NT, but is now a great bush which grew from the mustard seed of the faith of the twelve and other disciples.

****That NT church had no mass,****

Not even half right on that one. Mass is simply the word for sent, or mission from the Latin word missio, which is what Jesus gave to the Apostles.

Paul in 1 Corinthians might beg to differ.

17Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. 18For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. 20When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper. 21For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. 22What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come.

27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. 30For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 31For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

33Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. 34And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

*****but that claim lays completely on the non biblical role of pope and the non biblical practice of apostolic succession ... not on the actual historic record presented in the NT****

Opinion based on the interpretations of fallible men not led by the Holy Spirit.

The NT contains the origins of the Church’s history but not the entirety of it. Good try though.


555 posted on 11/27/2011 6:15:26 PM PST by Jvette
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To: Jvette
The NT contains the origins of the Church’s history but not the entirety of it. Good try though.

The NT does contain the ENTIRETY of the new churches history from an INFALLIBLE source..unlike the other writings that often disagreed with each other and the Roman church

606 posted on 11/27/2011 8:35:01 PM PST by RnMomof7
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