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To: narses
Well, maybe we should break it down. Let’s take the prayer of Prayer of Pope Pius XII. [http://catholicism.about.com/od/tothevirginmary/qt/Honor_Immacula.htm]

I’ll use just the bolded excerpts from the prayer.

we cast ourselves into your arms

1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. (When did we need to replace God with Mary?)

confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.

Hebrews 4:15-16 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. (once again Catholics replacing Christ with Mary)

O crystal fountain of faith

Romans 12:3 according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. or "a measure of faith." (but Mary is the “fountain of faith” for Catholics)

Lily of all holiness

1 Samuel 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. (for Catholics however, “all holiness” is given to Mary)

Conqueress of evil and death

Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. (but Catholics claim it was Mary who conquered death)

Convert the wicked

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; (Catholics have even replaced the Holy Spirit with Mary)

Statement by catholic Bishop Liqouri “.......We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus.....” She...is our Salvation, our Life, our Hope, our Counsel, our Refuge, our Help”

Need I go on? Catholics have replaced virtually every attribute and working of God and given that to Mary in their worship.

20 posted on 11/25/2011 1:03:54 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

‘Let’s take the prayer of Prayer of Pope Pius XII.”

Why? is Pope Pius XII the mind reader? Or are you? You claim that those in Russia today “...are directly putting Mary in place of Jesus or the Holy Spirit.”

How do you know that? What makes you the expert on what others think? Are you trying to claim to be able to judge others?


21 posted on 11/25/2011 1:07:22 PM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: All; CynicalBear
He is talking in the context of her prayers for us. Just like if I asked a fine praying Lady sister for prayers and the results are beautiful. I would thank her for her prayers but we know it is God with intercession which I would be thankful.

Also Christ who is sinless because he obeyed the ten commandments at least besides the mosaic law has to honor his Mother and Father. Which is a famous commandment for all. How much more for a perfect God man who became the Savior. He would have to honor her as a God man which means it is way beyond what you and I could do for our mother. He can not stop honoring her otherwise he is a sinner. Which means you and I would be a fool to worship Christ as sinner.

Also remember John the apostle sees Christ as the Human lamb of God slain which means the human wounds from the horrors of the crucifixion. This is in Eternity. He is still in Human form. If he has his human wounds he has to Honor his human Mother period. He is still a human God after all. This is His choice by the way. If the rocks could Praise God on Palm sunday as Christ suggests if the people did not do it, so could of Christ be made too from rocks. But He did not because he wanted a natural supernatural Mother.

He without a doubt wanted a Mother. You or I can not deny this fact.

Forgive him Father he knows not what he says. Thank God for honoring His commandments. Praise Jesus and as the angel declared Hail Mary!!

32 posted on 11/25/2011 2:37:44 PM PST by johngrace (1 John 4!- declared at every Sunday Mass.)
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To: CynicalBear

You have used excerpts of this prayer several times. The spin placed on it is incorrect. There is nothing in that prayer that supplants or replaces God or Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

It is a poetic prayer, an ode(a la the psalms), regarding the blessings Mary has received from God. It was written on the occasion of the declaration of the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. It is not a prayer that is said in Mass, nor one that Catholics are bound to pray.

It says nothing of Mary being the source of our salvation. Rather she is the first recipient of Salvation and knew our Lord more intimately than any human from the moment of His conception to His death and then His ascension.

It is an expression of the joy and love Catholics have for the Mother of Our Savior, our mother, given to us from the cross as He suffered and died for our sins.

“When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, ‘Woman, behold, your son!’. Then he said to the disciple, ‘Behold, your mother!’” (Jn 19:26-27).

It seems that in the joylessness that is protestantism, it is inconceivable to acknowledge that there is no love, no praise and no honor that man can give Mary greater than that bestowed on her by God when He chose her to bear His Son to the world.


91 posted on 11/25/2011 8:00:28 PM PST by Jvette
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To: CynicalBear

Another unanswered question:

‘Let’s take the prayer of Prayer of Pope Pius XII.”

Why? is Pope Pius XII the mind reader? Or are you? You claim that those in Russia today “...are directly putting Mary in place of Jesus or the Holy Spirit.”

How do you know that? What makes you the expert on what others think? Are you trying to claim to be able to judge others?


169 posted on 11/26/2011 8:20:02 AM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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