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To: RnMomof7
"...the word church does not mean a denomination but the called out ones...."

Please, stop attempting to speak authoritatively. Unless you can demonstrate the Gift of Tongues, which is the ability to fluently speak a language you were never exposed to, a few hours spent stumbling around on the internet is not equivalent to a proper education. Your time would be better spent and you would be left with fewer errors if you sought out a real education with real books and professors, homework and tests.

The actual word used was Ekklesia (ἐκκλησία). While a completely literal translation means "called out" the actual translation referred to a formal body of Greek democratic governance. It predated the writing of the New Testament by some 500 years. The Ekklesia was the body that held the power to declare war, sue for peace, choose and charge, try and remove magistrates and governmental officers and held the authority to pass the death sentence over citizens. It was not some ragtag body as Protestantism suggests. In the new testament context it is the Church.

723 posted on 11/27/2011 2:11:49 PM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Natural Law; RnMomof7
The actual word used was Ekklesia (ἐκκλησία). While a completely literal translation means "called out" the actual translation referred to a formal body of Greek democratic governance.

What kind of 'double-speak' is that???

It predated the writing of the New Testament by some 500 years. The Ekklesia was the body that held the power to declare war, sue for peace, choose and charge, try and remove magistrates and governmental officers and held the authority to pass the death sentence over citizens.

In the new testament context it is the Church.

Act 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.

Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.

Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

We could go on for a long time but this should suffice...

It's easy for you guys to dupe the Catholics because they'll believe anything you guys tell them... But you won't be pulling that wool over the eyes of born again bible believers because you have to get your stories by the scriptures first...

And as always, it didn't happen...

You'll notice the last verse I posted: The Church is not instructed to feed the flock...The overseers are instructed TO FEED THE CHURCH...

As in all the verses I posted, the church is the people; the called out assembly...The church IS NOT some ruling hierarchy that is the Church...

Please, stop attempting to speak authoritatively. Unless you can demonstrate the Gift of Tongues, which is the ability to fluently speak a language you were never exposed to, a few hours spent stumbling around on the internet is not equivalent to a proper education. Your time would be better spent and you would be left with fewer errors if you sought out a real education with real books and professors, homework and tests.You mean like you have???

Or, one could save thousands of bucks by going down to the local five and dime, pick up a bible and in the comfort of their home learn more about God than years of your books and tests will give you...

727 posted on 11/27/2011 5:02:41 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Natural Law
:LOL..I wrote "...the word church does not mean a denomination but the called out ones...."

Then you ..after mocking me

Please, stop attempting to speak authoritatively. Unless you can demonstrate the Gift of Tongues

You THEN wrote this

The actual word used was Ekklesia (ἐκκλησία). While a completely literal translation means "called out"

Thanks for the "CORRECTION"

733 posted on 11/27/2011 5:54:51 PM PST by RnMomof7
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