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To: CynicalBear
Do you not understand the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?

Yours, mine, Jim Jones' or David Koresh's?

We already went through this: two people both claiming the same Holy Spirit leading to different conclusions… You first said discussing with others was important with resolution through reasoned debate, then fell back on you, yours, I, me, mine.
Subjective.

No, once again you are reading into it your own prejudice it seems to me.

I was specific in my first post:

It seems to me that "…you see it as your task to determine what is scripture or revelation, what is the correct translation and meaning of same and from this what are the correct beliefs (i.e. doctrine, dogma) for your religion. I think it would be accurate to say the result being, according to you, the correct Christian Faith or religion."

"Is every Christian tasked to do the same?"

You answered yes to this question and continued the position during further discussion, up until the end.

It is never “just me”. I am never alone.

I assume you're referring again to you, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. This is *not* the meaning of whenever two or more of you; and, is most definitely not the Church. A church does not consist of you. The position that your way (by your own light determining your own scripture, meaning and doctrine) is the way of Christ and His Church would be inconceivable to the Apostles and early Christians in scripture and afterward.

I think we are repeating our positions now, and I don't see them changing. The discussion will have to stand on its own merits.

Thanks again for your courtesy in reply.

4,076 posted on 12/15/2011 7:06:51 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; CynicalBear
We already went through this: two people both claiming the same Holy Spirit leading to different conclusions… You first said discussing with others was important with resolution through reasoned debate, then fell back on you, yours, I, me, mine. Subjective.

Comparing beliefs and theology to Scripture = objective. There is simply not that much serious differences in beliefs.

Sure people like Koresh and Jones can CLAIM the Holy Spirit, but a cursory look at their doctrines and teaching show deviation from that. They went wrong because they deviated from Scripture. There is that part about *Thou shalt not kill* and *Thou shalt not commit adultery* which they ignored.

It's obvious to anyone, that despite their claims of being led by the Spirit, that they weren't and their followers would have recognized it if they had investigated Scripture instead of putting their faith in their leaders.

4,078 posted on 12/15/2011 8:08:30 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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