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To: CynicalBear
thanks for your reply.

It would be for all who truly put their walk… to the extent that God has given them the desire and talent.

Then, it seems to me, you have walked back the "all Christians" statement as I concluded.

Not subjective at all. Based only on the one true Rock and that is the unchanging truth found in scripture as we are illuminated by the Spirit of God.

As determined by you; that is subjective.

We gone all the way through a supposedly objective search for truth which you require for yourself and all Christians to this being optional. Gone from examining all the evidence, studying the languages and interpretations, using reason to settle differences, etc. to end at:

"My faith and trust are in Jesus and trust the Holy Spirit to lead and guide me in my search for truth."

You.

Not even 'two or more.' Just you.

I wish you well as an individual; but, as a scriptural interpretation of Christ's commandments, wishes and prayer for us and His Church; and, as a model following the Apostles and the early Church in Acts and afterward, your way fails and falls, sadly and profoundly, upon Self.

My sincere thanks for your courteous discussion and replies.

4,072 posted on 12/15/2011 5:31:30 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
>> As determined by you; that is subjective.<<

Do you not understand the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? Never mind.

>> Then, it seems to me, you have walked back the "all Christians" statement as I concluded.<<

No, once again you are reading into it your own prejudice it seems to me. ALL Christians must search the scriptures. It’s just that some are going to be called to search for deeper truths and meat than others. It’s not that some should and others shouldn’t. Just a degree to which they do.

>> As determined by you; that is subjective.<<

LOL I know Catholics find solace in putting their trust in some supposed learned carnal individual and find it difficult to relate to those of us who realize that salvation is an individual thing. I pray one day you put aside the propaganda of the RCC and trust in Christ alone.

>> Not even 'two or more.' Just you.<<

It is never “just me”. I am never alone. I pray one day you will realize.

4,075 posted on 12/15/2011 6:10:06 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: D-fendr; CynicalBear
I wish you well as an individual; but, as a scriptural interpretation of Christ's commandments, wishes and prayer for us and His Church; and, as a model following the Apostles and the early Church in Acts and afterward, your way fails and falls, sadly and profoundly, upon Self.

You know, I don't see that belonging to a church denomination has any real advantage in regard to someone's salvation than it being just him and God.

If a person doesn't want to be saved, being in the church is not going to get him there.

I can't count the number of times that FRoman Catholics have stated that someone who doesn't follow the churches teachings has ex-communicated themselves.

A person motivated enough to be active in a group to contribute to his or her salvation, is motivated enough to do it without the group.

And a person who won't do it on their own, won't do it as part of a group either.

All the denomination or being part of the group does is add another layer between the person and God.

You can be as committed to God as the group and as committed to the group as God.

Either way, it all gets back to the individual commitment. Even the RCC won't force anyone to be saved against their will.

4,077 posted on 12/15/2011 8:00:51 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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