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To: boatbums
Paul's writings are among the earliest in the NT, so by your logic they don't count. Only the last ones count. Therefore, why don't you jettison everything except John, Jude and Peter, and possibly Matthew and Luke and Mark. Same problem as before: you guys will argue and refuse to back up your positions with any suitable Scripture simply because the Reformation fell for the old Paulian heresies and their children continue it today. Remember Peter's warning against misinterpreting Paul? Alive in tens of thousands of different beliefs, today, and splintering as fast as all get out.

Are you unaware that the Gospels were placed at the start of the New Testament, not because of when they were written, but because they were chronological? I really wish you would get it out of your head that I in any way say parts of Scripture count more than others or don't count at all. I have never said such and you have no proof that I ever have.

You told me that Jesus was for the Jews only, as was Peter. It is Paul that is only for the Gentiles. Now you tell me that chronological order matters, not the inspiration of the Holy Spirit at the time that they were written. You told me that Paul had further revelation than the Gospels and therefore that is why we should pay special attention to them over the Gospels.

Interesting. Why bother with the OT, then. If Paul supersedes the Gospels, and the Gospels supersede the OT, then why do you guys so often refer to the OT?

But to come down to the crux of the matter: if later revelation is more important and the order of the books of the NT is important, then admit that Peter, James, Jude and John (both Epistles and the Apocalypse) are more important than Paul. John's Apocalypse was a revelation indeed and revealed in much detail. His epistles are much later and written about much later things than Paul's.

Why not jettison Pauline worship and replace it with equal fervour in the regard of John?

It's strange that you claim "we" argue and refuse to back up our positions with any suitable Scripture, since we nearly always do include Scripture relevant to the topic. Some even post teachings of your church straight from the Catechism or approved documents yet even then they are denied and danced around.

I don't dance. You get it from me straight and you always have.

I get it that you have a whole lot riding on the belief that your leaders cannot be wrong about anything, so I understand the aversion to admitting they could be, but it is your own eternal destiny that is riding on it. You owe it to yourself to know not just what you believe but why you believe and if all you got is "because that's what we believe", I feel sorry for you.

You have just been shown that your logic puts you into an indefensible position and tried to wriggle out of it. I showed you further how your logic in that post puts you into an even more indefensible position. Paul came later than the Gospels, you say, so his revelations are more relevant. However, Peter, Jude, and John were written later than Paul. Why don't you have superior regard for them on that basis?

But wait, you say, the chronological events are really the things that are important. Peter, Jude and John's epistles and Apocalypse occurred chronologically later. Why don't you have superior regard for them on that basis?

But wait, you say, the listing of the books in the Bible are really the most important. Well, Peter, James, Jude and John's epistles and Apocalypse occur later. Why don't you superior regard for them on that basis?

Please answer that, gentle correspondent.

3,999 posted on 12/13/2011 5:14:04 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I "get it from you straight"? Ummm...I don't think so. So far, it seems all you have done is ignore what I have actually said and substituted your own "interpretation" in your own words of what you think I meant. Why not stick to what I said? First of all, I didn't say Jesus was only for the Jews. I said he said he came for the Lost Sheep of House of Israel. He DID say that. But that didn't mean his words and teachings were not relevant for all. You can't understand his teachings if you don't understand their context. The same with Peter who said himself he was the Apostle to the Jews and Paul to the Gentiles. THAT'S in Scripture. I didn't make it up. All that means is help in understanding the context of what they teach.

As to the Gospels versus the Epistles, I said the epistles were "further revelation". This means they contained MORE truth than what Jesus taught during his three year ministry. Nonetheless, they are ALL Divine revelation. I do not get why you keep insisting I believe Paul should be worshiped or anyone else but Jesus. I have certainly stated unabashedly numerous times now that Jesus is who is the source of all truth - he alone is to be glorified and worshiped. Keep saying the opposite, it won't make anyone but yourself look bad.

My "logic" hasn't been destroyed, Mark, only what you think or pretend I am saying. But, go ahead, do what you want, think what you want, I can only say what I believe in the way I know how to say it.

4,021 posted on 12/13/2011 10:50:09 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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