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To: D-fendr; rzman21; CynicalBear; metmom
1,500 years of Christian Faith of the Real Presence in the Eucharist. Then, none...

Just not so ..there was no real consensus on the Lords supper and men were free to believe yes or no ..a close reading of the church fathers show some thought Christ was spiritually present not the platonic view of a physical presence ..it was not doctrine that was required until the Lateran council

So the question is only the "real presence" if one does not believe that the spiritual is real

2,093 posted on 12/02/2011 6:49:21 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

No. The Real Presence was a key part of the Christian Faith from Scripture onwards as far back as we have records, contiguously.

The early martyrs were martyred for this belief and others. I would not take it lightly.


2,096 posted on 12/02/2011 6:51:40 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: RnMomof7
..a close reading of the church fathers show some thought Christ was spiritually present not the platonic view of a physical presence ..

I'm sorry, but this statement shows an almost total lack of the vocabulary, philosophy, and what the debates between the Platonic and Aristotelean spheres was about; along with an erroneous conflation concerning the Real Presence.

Study up on it quite a bit more and perhaps it can be discussed here.

2,099 posted on 12/02/2011 6:55:15 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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