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To: rzman21
I do not reject the belief that Mary, the Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ, is in Heaven. Of course she is, as she was not only his mother but one of his followers, she is now in her eternal reward along with all the Old Testament saints, as well as the believers in Christ while he was here on Earth, as well as all those believers since that have died. My objection is merely that there was no mention of a bodily assumption in Scripture, no extra-biblical writings of the Apostles - not even from John who cared for her in her years after the Crucifixion. In fact, the Catholic Church waited nearly two thousand years to even claim it as an infallible doctrine of the faith - de fide - and warn of excommunication to anyone who did not hold to that declaration.
1,389 posted on 11/29/2011 4:30:18 PM PST by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: boatbums

What then explains the universal belief in the same stories about the Assumption/Dormition from very early on?

We find the same hagiography in the Armenian, Coptic, Ethiopic, Syriac and Byzantine traditions. It would be one thing if it were only a local tradition of the Church of Rome or the Church of Constantinople.

I might add that these groups didn’t exactly like each other from very early on.

The stories about Jesus’s crucifixion and resurrection were matters of oral tradition for decades after the fact.

I think this consensus minus the medieval accretions about her not having died add credence to the belief.

As a Byzantine, I find the whole thing about codifying pious belief troubling.

Nontheless, I accept the dogma because of the witness of universal Tradition.


1,396 posted on 11/29/2011 4:45:41 PM PST by rzman21
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To: boatbums; rzman21; RnMomof7

BB, why are you worried about no mention of the assumption in the Scriptures.

the Scriptures tell us baptism is for the remission of sins, yet from prior posts, we know you reject this teaching.

so “the Scriptures” are just a fig leaf for what someone wants to believe.

worshipping the woman in the mirror.


1,403 posted on 11/29/2011 4:55:04 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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