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To: CynicalBear

Truth is relative, so why should anyone care about the way you interpret the scriptures.

You have your interpretation, Luther had his, etc.

The Bible says whatever you want it to. Don’t you know that?

Consequently, you lack any objective criteria to judge what the Catholic Church of the Church Fathers taught.


1,279 posted on 11/29/2011 12:54:36 PM PST by rzman21
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To: CynicalBear

How do you know that Arius wasn’t right?
http://arian-catholic.org/


1,284 posted on 11/29/2011 1:36:49 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21
>> The Bible says whatever you want it to.<<

No it doesn’t. It means what it means and it is ours to find with the help of the Holy Spirit to find that truth. I have often found that what someone told me the scriptures say was totally false. Blindly following what someone else says scripture means is dangerous at best.

Putting faith in some organization to interpret scripture is giving up ones eternal future to individuals who may or may not have their best interest at heart. When the Catholic Church develops official doctrine to counter opposition the risk is greater since it’s obvious they haven’t based their doctrine solely on scripture or they would have established that doctrine long before.

If scripture alone is not the standard by which we determine truth we have no firm foundation.

1,288 posted on 11/29/2011 1:40:41 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: rzman21; CynicalBear
Truth is relative, so why should anyone care about the way you interpret the scriptures.

You have your interpretation, Luther had his, etc.

The Bible says whatever you want it to. Don’t you know that?

Consequently, you lack any objective criteria to judge what the Catholic Church of the Church Fathers taught.

Do you read anything you write?

If truth is relative and the Bible can say anything you want it to, then what is the standard that the Catholic Church of the Church Fathers used when they taught?? Can they also not be called into question -- along with the Magisterium -- as to what they consider to be truth, since according to you truth is relative? They absolutely can!

But, the Holy Spirit cannot be called into question....

You've just pulled the rug out from under any argument you care to muster. All any of us here have to say to refute you is... "truth is relative, and you can make it say anything you want."

Hoss

1,290 posted on 11/29/2011 1:44:41 PM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: rzman21
just......

wow.......

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.

1,426 posted on 11/29/2011 6:11:00 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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