Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.
Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.
If Satan is bound I would sure like to know where all the evil in the world in the last 2000 years has come from.
I'm glad this was brought up again because I think we should explore it. In a simple form, exorcism is performed at the celebration of Baptism. The Church encourages the laity to say simple exorcisms frequently. Historically, many conditions were attributed to demons and evil spirits. These included foul and unpleasant dispositions and unChristian behavior, certain illnesses and seizure disorders, insanity, and actual demonic possession. There are many Scriptural references to Christians being empowered to cast out demons and evil spirits in God's name and this was considered a work of mercy. Further, we are called upon often in Scripture to pray for one another.
So let's ask ourselves who, or should we say what would object to prayers and acts of mercy and lodge hysterical complaints? Who, or what, would be harmed or offended with efforts to cast out demons, I mean besides demons and those sympathetic to them?
Lastly, who would concede the power of the Catholic Church's prayers to be anything more than man made mumbo-jumbo?
Bad characters being played by bad actors are never believable except to themselves. Having a documented record of their every post can be very damning.
All that long spiel to explain what the verse doesn't mean (in your religion's view)...But you can't tell us what it does mean then???
Catholic and Orthodox Christians look at how difficult passages of scripture have been interpreted since the beginnings of Christianity unlike heterodox sects that reinterpret the scriptures to fit their prejudices.
Catholic and Orthodox Christians look at how difficult passages of scripture have been interpreted since the beginnings of Christianity unlike heterodox sects that reinterpret the scriptures to fit their prejudices.
Protestants become Catholics for rational reasons.
But Catholics become Protestants for emotional ones that have little to do with reason or an understanding of the Catholic faith.
That was true even of Martin Luther.
And Evangelicals are known for their ignorance.
The Church Is Israel Now
By Charles D. Provan
Excerpts adapted for the web, 1997
During this century, Christians have been told over and over that “God has an unconditional love for Old Testament Israel,” by which is meant that God’s love is directed toward persons racially descended from Abraham, regardless of faith or obedience. Membership in Israel, therefore, is viewed as a matter of race, not faith.
The Church Is Israel Now demonstrates that the Bible totally repudiates this racialist viewpoint. Being a member of Israel in the Old Testament was dependent upon faith and obedience to God. When the Israelites obeyed God, God loved them. But when the Israelites turned from him, He hated them, stripping them of their Israelite status. After centuries of Israelite rebellion against God, culminating in their rejection of Jesus the Messiah, the titles, attributes and blessings of Israel were transferred to all who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and to no one else, regardless of Abrahamic descent. The Church is Israel Now.
Jesus said to the “chief priests and elders of the [Jewish] people”:
Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and
given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. Matt. 21:43
Jesus said to His disciples:
Do not fear, little flock, for it is the Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
Luke 12:32
OLD TESTAMENT TITLES AND ATTRIBUTES OF ISRAEL WHICH ARE, IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, REFERRED TO THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH
THE BELOVED OF GOD
A) Israel Is Beloved Of God:
- Ex. 15:13, Deut. 33:3, Ezra 3:11
B) Disobedient Israel Is Not Beloved Of God:
- Lev. 3:16, Jer. 12:8, Jer. 16:5, Hos. 9:15
C) Christians Are Beloved Of God:
- Rom. 9:25, Eph. 5:1, Col. 3:12, 1 John 3:1
THE CHILDREN OF GOD
A) Israel Are The Children Of God:
- Ex. 4:22, Deut. 14:1, Isa. 1:2,4, Isa. 1:2,4, Isa. 63:8, Hos. 11:1
B) Disobedient Israel Are Not The Children Of God:
- Deut. 32:5, John 8:39, 42, 44
C) Christians Are The Children Of God:
- John 1:12, John 11:52, Rom. 8:14,16, 2 Cor. 6:18, Gal. 3:26, Gal. 4:5,6,7, Phil. 2:15, 1 John 3:1
THE FIELD OF GOD
A) Israel Is The Field Of God:
- Jer. 12:10
B) Christians Are The Field Of God:
- 1 Cor. 3:9
THE FLOCK OF GOD AND OF THE MESSIAH
A) Israel Is The Flock Of God And Of The Messiah:
- Psa. 78:52, Psa. 80:1, Isa. 40:11, Jer. 23:1,2,3, Jer. 31:10, Eze. 34:12,15,16, Mic. 5:4, Zec. 10:3
B) Christians Are The Flock Of God And Of The Messiah:
- John 10:14,16, Heb. 13:20, 1 Pet. 2:25, 1 Pet. 5:2,3
THE HOUSE OF GOD
A) Israel Is The House Of God:
- Num. 12:7
B) Christians Are The House Of God:
- 1 Tim. 3:15, Heb. 3:2,5,6, Heb. 10:21, 1 Pet. 4:17
THE KINGDOM OF GOD
A) Israel Is The Kingdom Of God:
- Ex. 19:6, 1 Chr. 17:14, 1 Chr. 28:5
B) Disobedient Israel Is Not The Kingdom Of God:
- Matt. 8:11,12, Matt. 21:43
C) Christians Are The Kingdom Of God:
- Rom. 14:17, 1 Cor. 4:20, Col. 1:13, Col. 4:11, Rev. 1:6
THE PEOPLE OF GOD
A) The Israelites Are The People Of God:
- Ex. 6:7, Deut. 27:9, 2 Sam. 7:23, Jer. 11:4
B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not The People Of God:
- Hos. 1:9, Jer. 5:10
C) The Christians Are The People Of God:
- Rom. 9:25, 2 Cor. 6:16, Eph. 4:12, Eph. 5:3, 2 Th. 1:10, Tit. 2:14
THE PRIESTS OF GOD
A) The Israelites Are The Priests Of God:
- Ex. 19:6
B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Priests Of God:
- 1 Sam. 2:28,30, Lam. 4:13,16, Eze. 44:10,13, Hos. 4:6, Mal. 2:2,4,8,9
C) The Christians Are The Priests Of God:
- 1 Pet. 2:5,9, Rev. 1:6, Rev. 5:10
THE VINEYARD OF GOD
A) Israel Is The Vineyard Of God:
- Isa. 5:3,4,5,7, Jer. 12:10
B) Christians Are The Vineyard Of God:
- Luke 20:16
THE WIFE (OR BRIDE) OF GOD
A) Israel Is The Wife (Or Bride) Of God:
- Isa. 54:5,6, Jer. 2:2, Eze. 16:32, Hos. 1:2
B) Disobedient Israelites Is Not The Wife (Or Bride) Of God:
- Jer. 3:8, Hos. 2:2
C) The Christians Are The Wife (Or Bride) Of God:
- 2 Cor. 11:2, Eph. 5:31,32
THE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM
A) The Israelites Are The Children Of Abraham:
- 2 Chr. 20:7, Psa. 105:6, Isa. 41:8
B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Children Of Abraham:
- John 8:39, Rom. 9:6,7, Gal. 4:25,30
C) The Christians Are The Children Of Abraham:
- Rom. 4:11,16, Gal. 3:7,29, Gal. 4:23,28,31
THE CHOSEN PEOPLE
A) The Israelites Are The Chosen People:
- Deut. 7:7, Deut. 10:15, Deut. 14:2, Isa. 43:20,21
B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Chosen People:
- Deut. 31:17, 2 Ki. 17:20, 2 Chr. 25:7, Psa. 78:59, Jer. 6:30, Jer. 7:29, Jer. 14:10
C) The Christians Are The Chosen People:
- Col. 3:12, 1 Pet. 2:9
THE CIRCUMCISED
A) The Israelites Are The Circumcised:
- Gen. 17:10, Jud. 15:18
B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Circumcised:
- Jer. 9:25,26, Rom. 2:25,28, Phil. 3:2
C) The Christians Are The Circumcised:
- Rom. 2:29, Phil. 3:3, Col. 2:11
ISRAEL
A) Israel is Israel
B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not Israelites:
- Num. 15:30,31, Deut. 18:19, Acts 3:23, Rom. 9:6
C) The Christians Are Israel:
- John 11:50,51,52, 1 Cor. 10:1, Gal. 6:15,16, Eph. 2:12,19
JERUSALEM
A) Jerusalem Is the City And Mother Of Israel:
- Psa. 149:2, Isa. 12:6, Isa. 49:18,20,22, Isa. 51:18, Lam. 4:2
B) Jerusalem Is The City And Mother Of Christians:
- Gal. 4:26, Heb. 12:22
THE JEWS
A) Israelites Are Jews
- Ezr. 5:1, Jer. 34:8,9, Zech. 8:22,23
B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not Jews:
- Rom. 2:28, Rev. 2:9, Rev. 3:9
C) The Christians Are Jews:
- Rom. 2:29
THE NEW COVENANT
A) The New Covenant Is With Israel:
- Jer. 31:31,33
B) The New Covenant Is With The Christians:
- Luke 22:20, 1 Cor. 11:25, 2 Cor. 3:6, Heb. 8:6,8,10
AN OLIVE TREE
A) Israel Is An Olive Tree:
- Jer. 11:16, Hos. 14:6
B) The Christians Are An Olive Tree:
- Rom. 11:24
OLD TESTAMENT VERSES REFERRING TO ISRAEL WHICH ARE QUOTED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT AS REFERRING TO THE CHRISTIANS
QUOTE #1
- Lev. 26:11,12, Eze. 37:27, 2 Cor. 6:16
QUOTE #2
- Deut. 30:12-14, Rom. 10:6-8
QUOTE #3
- Deut. 31:6, Heb. 13:5
QUOTE #4
- Deut. 32:36, Psa. 135:14, Heb. 10:30
QUOTE #5
- Psa. 22:22, Heb. 2:12
QUOTE #6
- Psa. 44:22, Rom. 8:36
QUOTE #7
- Psa. 95:7-11, Heb. 3:7-11
QUOTE #8
- Psa. 130:8, Tit. 2:14
QUOTE #9
- Isa. 28:16, Rom. 10:11, Eph. 2:20, 1 Pet. 2:6
QUOTE #10
- Isa. 49:8, 2 Cor. 6:2
QUOTE #11
- Isa. 52:7, Rom. 10:15
QUOTE #12
- Isa. 54:1, Gal. 4:27
QUOTE #13
- Jer. 31:31-34, Heb. 8:8-12
QUOTE #14
- Hos. 1:10; 2:23, Rom. 9:25-26, 1 Pet. 2:10
QUOTE #15
- Hos. 13:14, 1 Cor. 15:55
QUOTE #16
- Joel. 2:32, Rom. 10:13
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this article pretty much explains it and gives many of the Scriptural supports.
read what Paul says in Romans 9 and Galatians 3:29 and 6:16.
Jesus cursed the fig tree ( representing national Israel ) in Mark 11:12-14 and said it would never bear fruit again.
in Matthew 21:43, Jesus said the kingdom would be taken from the Jews and given to another nation.
that nation is the Church, comprised of believers from every nation and tongue, including physical Jews like Paul who believe in Jesus.
It appears you have some familiarity with the occult. I do not. I have never attended a seance, nor communicated with any spirits, so your question, “Which spirit do you communicate with?” is the old “When did you stop beating your wife?” fallacy. I have no idea what your Vlad the Impaler comment is intended to refer to, but I don’t think it belongs on the Religion Forum.
Apparently, my comment about private exorcism prayers struck a nerve.
“let’s keep it honest”
does this mean you are going to stop telling “untruths” about what the Church teaches?
Ephesians 6:10-18 10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. 12For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
13Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. 14Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace.
16In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; 17and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, 18praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication.
Romans 8:37-39 37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
“When you mean catholics - say catholics. Keep it honest and clear”
i say what i mean and mean what i say. when i say Christians, i mean Christians.
“in Christ” means by virtue of baptism, my sins are forgiven and i have received the Holy Spirit. i am in the Body of Christ, and since that Body died already, it will never die again.
what makes me worthy to go heaven? i am not worthy to go to heaven, because of my sins, i deserve hell. but God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him, should not perish but have eternal life. it is only by the grace of God that anyone goes to heaven.
this is what Christians believe and we have for 2,000 years.
LOL! are you the English police?
if you are bothered by my posts, DON’T READ THEM!!
If Satan is bound I would sure like to know where all the evil in the world in the last 2000 years has come from?
the heart of man is desperately wicked, who can know it?
man is fully capable of sinning on his own, without Satan involved at all.
pinged you guys to #389, gives the Scriptural basis for the Church as Israel.
JA,
Read Matthew 5:11 and rejoice!!!
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