Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.
Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.
Catholics fall for the nonsense written after the real Apostles. I’ll stay with the proven infallible word of God.
“They strut their eveil before you” pretty much depicts that photo.
However, note the onlookers facial expressions...one would question why they are at such an event. Good depiction of an audiance also having lost their way.
I’m not going to risk my eternal future on “perhaps”.
>> the most likely scenario<<
I sincerely feel sorry for anyone who puts their eternal future in fables supported by “most likely” and “perhaps”.
Your throwing around the C-Word shows that you don’t really have much of an argument other than to hold your interpretation of the Bible up as infallible.
The Muslim Brotherhood looks at the Quran in much the same way that you look at the Bible.
Beware of your pride oh Pharisee.
James 4:6 ESV / 6 helpful votes
But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
Romans 12:2 ESV / 5 helpful votes
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Isaiah 1:1-31 ESV / 4 helpful votes
The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah. Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth; for the Lord has spoken: “Children have I reared and brought up, but they have rebelled against me. The ox knows its owner, and the donkey its master’s crib, but Israel does not know, my people do not understand.” Ah, sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, offspring of evildoers, children who deal corruptly! They have forsaken the Lord, they have despised the Holy One of Israel, they are utterly estranged. Why will you still be struck down? Why will you continue to rebel? The whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. ...
Romans 8:15 ESV / 3 helpful votes
For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”
Proverbs 16:18-19 ESV / 3 helpful votes
Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. It is better to be of a lowly spirit with the poor than to divide the spoil with the proud.
Proverbs 16:5 ESV / 3 helpful votes
Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord; be assured, he will not go unpunished.
Proverbs 8:13 ESV / 3 helpful votes
The fear of the Lord is hatred of evil. Pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate.
Psalm 59:12 ESV / 3 helpful votes
For the sin of their mouths, the words of their lips, let them be trapped in their pride. For the cursing and lies that they utter,
James 3:6 ESV / 2 helpful votes
And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell.
1 Timothy 3:6 ESV / 2 helpful votes
He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1 Timothy 1:10 ESV / 2 helpful votes
The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 ESV / 2 helpful votes
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
1 Corinthians 6:19 ESV / 2 helpful votes
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
1 Corinthians 3:16 ESV / 2 helpful votes
Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?
1 Corinthians 2:13 ESV / 2 helpful votes
And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
Romans 12:1-2 ESV / 2 helpful votes
I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Romans 8:26-27 ESV / 2 helpful votes
Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
Romans 8:14 ESV / 2 helpful votes
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Romans 1:26-27 ESV / 2 helpful votes
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
John 14:16-17 ESV / 2 helpful votes
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.
Luke 20:36 ESV / 2 helpful votes
For they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Luke 11:13 ESV / 2 helpful votes
If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
Isaiah 28:1 ESV / 2 helpful votes
Ah, the proud crown of the drunkards of Ephraim, and the fading flower of its glorious beauty, which is on the head of the rich valley of those overcome with wine!
Ecclesiastes 12:7 ESV / 2 helpful votes
And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
James 4:7 ESV / 1 helpful vote
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Titus 3:5 ESV / 1 helpful vote
He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Galatians 5:1 ESV / 1 helpful vote
For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
Paul wrote ABOUT the Catholic Church, not TO the Catholic Church. Starting with this: 2 Cor. warning that there are "many which corrupt the Word of God." He wrote many things about the Catholic Church, but one of my favorite is: well, I can't choose a favorite, They are ALL favorite warnings against false teachers, deceivers, another Jesus, another gospel, another spirit, another doctrine, etc.
Paul writing to the Catholic Church...lol!
Still no answers...
You have shown that you don’t believe in the Bible because you don’t know the first thing about Biblical hermeneutics.
Instead you put forward your fallible interpretation of the Bible, which you don’t understand to save your soul.
Believers ARE the Orchestra with Christ Jesus the Conductor, who gives each one of us the 'entire music score'.... With that HE selects and points out our individual "solos" as we play our appointed pieces. This then makes the score complete and in accord with the conductors determined sound that He wants heard. We don't have to look to another for our cues when it's time for our part....the conductor Himself is the only one we take our cues from......not the drummer.
...which honestly explains why the RCC is what now...1 BILLION or 2 BILLION strong?
I’m sorry, you didn’t like my answer? THere is only one answer to all the questions you asked, and I gave it to you.
Serious problem there as the author puts bishops, prebyters and decons on the same level as God...they are not nor do they represent God. Only Christ was the exact representation of God...he Was God and Is God...and we are told to not only seek Him but hear Him.
So do you get visions like Pat Robertson or Oral Roberts telling you what to do?
Catholics don’t place bishops or the Pope on the same level as God.
They are Christ’s representatives who rule over the flock in his earthly absence, but if they betray Christ through personal unworthiness or heresy we have an obligation to resist them.
That is Catholic teaching.
You are fortunate indeed. He is truly a blessing to the Church forever. I still remember the first time I read his Paschal homily; what it must have been like to hear him:
…
Let none lament his poverty;
for the universal Kingdom is revealed.
Let none bewail his transgressions;
for the light of forgiveness has risen from the tomb.
Let none fear death;
for death of the Saviour has set us free.
He has destroyed death by undergoing death.
He has despoiled hell by descending into hell.
He vexed it even as it tasted of His flesh.
Isaiah foretold this when he cried:
Hell was filled with bitterness when it met Thee face to face below;
filled with bitterness, for it was brought to nothing;
filled with bitterness, for it was mocked;
filled with bitterness, for it was overthrown;
filled with bitterness, for it was put in chains.
Hell received a body, and encountered God. It received earth, and confronted heaven.
O death, where is your sting?
O hell, where is your victory?
Christ is risen! And you, o death, are annihilated!
Christ is risen! And the evil ones are cast down!
Christ is risen! And the angels rejoice!
Christ is risen! And life is liberated!
Christ is risen! And the tomb is emptied of its dead;
for Christ having risen from the dead,
is become the first-fruits of those who have fallen asleep.
To Him be Glory and Power, now and forever, and from all ages to all ages.
Amen!
Well yea...that's a no brain-er...sure they did for everything that God wants us to know.
So John was lying when he said the opposite?
I love St. John Chrysosotom’s Paschal homily that we read every year.
The Paschal Sermon of St. John Chrysostom
The Catechetical Sermon of St. John Chrysostom is read during Matins of Pascha.
If any man be devout and love God, let him enjoy this fair and radiant triumphal feast. If any man be a wise servant, let him rejoicing enter into the joy of his Lord. If any have labored long in fasting, let him now receive his recompense. If any have wrought from the first hour, let him today receive his just reward. If any have come at the third hour, let him with thankfulness keep the feast. If any have arrived at the sixth hour, let him have no misgivings; because he shall in nowise be deprived therefor. If any have delayed until the ninth hour, let him draw near, fearing nothing. If any have tarried even until the eleventh hour, let him, also, be not alarmed at his tardiness; for the Lord, who is jealous of his honor, will accept the last even as the first; he gives rest unto him who comes at the eleventh hour, even as unto him who has wrought from the first hour.
And he shows mercy upon the last, and cares for the first; and to the one he gives, and upon the other he bestows gifts. And he both accepts the deeds, and welcomes the intention, and honors the acts and praises the offering. Wherefore, enter you all into the joy of your Lord; and receive your reward, both the first, and likewise the second. You rich and poor together, hold high festival. You sober and you heedless, honor the day. Rejoice today, both you who have fasted and you who have disregarded the fast. The table is full-laden; feast ye all sumptuously. The calf is fatted; let no one go hungry away.
Enjoy ye all the feast of faith: Receive ye all the riches of loving-kindness. let no one bewail his poverty, for the universal kingdom has been revealed. Let no one weep for his iniquities, for pardon has shown forth from the grave. Let no one fear death, for the Savior’s death has set us free. He that was held prisoner of it has annihilated it. By descending into Hell, He made Hell captive. He embittered it when it tasted of His flesh. And Isaiah, foretelling this, did cry: Hell, said he, was embittered, when it encountered Thee in the lower regions. It was embittered, for it was abolished. It was embittered, for it was mocked. It was embittered, for it was slain. It was embittered, for it was overthrown. It was embittered, for it was fettered in chains. It took a body, and met God face to face. It took earth, and encountered Heaven. It took that which was seen, and fell upon the unseen.
O Death, where is your sting? O Hell, where is your victory? Christ is risen, and you are overthrown. Christ is risen, and the demons are fallen. Christ is risen, and the angels rejoice. Christ is risen, and life reigns. Christ is risen, and not one dead remains in the grave. For Christ, being risen from the dead, is become the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. To Him be glory and dominion unto ages of ages. Amen.
Are the "patristic commentaries" infallible?
To what authority do they appeal for primacy? Is that authority infallible?
Hoss
Sure they do. The Catholic church teaches that the pope can be infallible in the matter of faith and morals, and that priests and clergy can remit or retain sins, thereby damning a person to hell for eternity.
They are Christ’s representatives who rule over the flock in his earthly absence, but if they betray Christ through personal unworthiness or heresy we have an obligation to resist them.
Another
Nobody is that stupid to believe that claim.
Just like all those pedophile, child molesting priests that the church hid and moved around to keep from getting caught? The clergy of the Catholic church has had a long and sordid history.
Resist the evil? They cover it and protect it.
That is Catholic teaching.
It is NOT Catholic practice.
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