Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.
Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Rev 1:8
What's not logical at all though, is for the Catholic church to claim that it wrote Scripture, which it didn't, and thereby claim that if one accepts Scripture as authoritative, one by default accepts the the Catholic church as authoritative.
With all that the Catholic Church claims for itself I’m wondering how soon it will be that someone from within that organization actually claims to be God or proclaims some human as God.
I wouldn't be so sure about that if I were you, mas. Consider:
Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam: “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” — Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (Promulgated November 18, 1302)
[is contradicted by Vatican II:]
..there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. (Cf. Jn. 16:13) They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical [Protestant] communities
They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power. Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood. — LUMEN GENTIUM: 16.
Your raise a legitimate issue. Christ said "No one comes to the Father except through me" and He founded His One Catholic Church with sacraments as the means of coming through Him. This simple truth is affirmed by Boniface VIII. In addition, there is a belief that catechumens or martyrs who die before baptism would be saved if they had a desire for baptism and therefore of coming through Jesus. However, LUMEN GENTIUM and derivative catechisms appear to directly contradict with Unam Sanctam and there are other documents of Vatican II council that apparently conflict with previously-established infallible teaching. Therefore, traditionalist Catholics hold that any new, conflicting doctrine taught at Vatican II could not have been infallibly defined.
The Pope is currently conducting discussions with the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X over the apparent contradictions of Vatican II. Given Church's divine protection against error, it is safe to conclude that the Vatican will eventually be forced to admit that the novel doctrines of Vatican II never "took" and should be discarded.
Dude, your post indicates a total ignorance of what being saved is all about.
Not a clue.
Oh, really.
That is not true in the least.
THIS is what's foundational in our Christian faith, no matter whether we believe in election or free will. THIS is the unifying *dogma* (if you will)......
Ephesians 2:1-10 1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
4But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Romans 10:5-13 5For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them. 6But the righteousness based on faith says, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'" (that is, to bring Christ down) 7or "'Who will descend into the abyss?'" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
8But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame."
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
At least we have something in common. You are totally ignorant about Catholicism.
All one needs to do is say those magic words at a Billy Graham Crusade, and boom he/she is saved.
Yeah, really.
There’s a lot more than that your classic prooftexts that divide Protestants.
I could list a few if you would like. Protestantism is a manmade religion established by people who wanted to justify their ax with the Catholic Church.
The Protestant “Reformation” was as much about secular politics as it was about religion. Going to college and studying the Protestant revolt showed me it was a joke.
30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Forget logic. God is beyond our understanding. The Church preceded the New Testament.
Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Do you believe Paul lied to the jailor?
>>>>>My “sect” doesn’t teach people that outside their religion, there is no salvation.
Hmmmm.....so, those who disagree with you can still be saved? What disagreement with you is allowed, with salvation still possible? Can someone disagree with you about transubstantiation and still go to heaven? How about the interpretation of Paul’s definition of grace? Can a Catholic be saved, accordint to your sect? What about praying to the saints, does someone go to hell for that? What exactly does your sect teach about Mary being sinless? Do you tell children they’ll go to hell for believing that? What if a child thinks that Mary is the queen of heaven? What if YOUR child thinks thar? Will your child go to heaven?
So just remember the magic incantation right?
St. Paul didn’t teach Sola Fide.
The feeling is mutual.
Well, tell us all. Was Paul lying to the jailor?
That seems to be pretty common malady amongst Catholics who fancy themselves some kind of intellectuals in spite of that.
►“Once he does so (joins the Catholic church), he has no further use for his reason. He enters the Church, an edifice illumined by the superior light of revelation and faith. He can leave reason like a lantern at the door.” (John H. Stapleton, Explanation of Catholic Morals, Chapter XIX, XXIII. the consistent believer (1904); Nihil Obstat. Remy Lafort, Censor Librorum. Imprimatur, John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York)
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