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To: smvoice

As was said, God is not willing that any should perish, (2 Peter). So how can Eph 1:4,5 be true and 2 Peter?

Because God CHOSE and Predestined EVERYONE to be saved, but some are NOT willing. God allows this. He could overrule, but he allow humans to have free will.

Read Romans Chapter 1 — it shows that God wants sinners to repent, and will struggle with them for a long time, but will finally give up and let them have their will.

How could God tell us to do something that the unsaved cannot do? (i.e. repent)?

God is NOT like man, He can see, and know something has happened and NOT be the cause of it. Knowledge is NOT CAUSATION when it comes to God.

Mankind has Free Will — God has absolute power — Calvinism (5 point) is an attempt to explain God’s plan with the reasoning of man. However, God is not bound to time and causation like man is. This is the failing of Calvinism - assuming that God conforms to the rules of the universe HE CREATED!!


107 posted on 11/18/2011 1:39:49 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain
I'm in perfect agreement with you, I think;). I'm just saying that it was His plan that all who would believe Him would be saved. And that His plan was predestinated and foreknown before the foundation of the world. 2 Tim. 1:9 bears witness. "Who hath called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN."

It was His plan that was predestinated and foreknown. Rom. 8:30 also. His foreknown PLAN was that He would call, justify, and glorify all who accepted His plan. That they would be conformed to the image of His Son.

Nothing else makes sense. "...Who would have ALL men to be saved..." .

""we pray you in God's stead, be ye reconciled to God."

"Preach the word, be instant in season, out of season..."

And the opposite is also true: "For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"

At the same time that God presents His plan, He also knows who "will" or "will not" accept His terms.

God chose and predestined that everyone who would be conformed to His Plan for Mankind would be saved and not perish, but, like you said, some are not willing to be conformed to His plan. MY OPINION ONLY. AND NOT SET IN STONE, OBVIOUSLY...;)

109 posted on 11/18/2011 2:07:54 PM PST by smvoice ("What, compare Scripture with Scripture?..We'll have to double the Magisterium...")
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