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To: sasportas; Quix
He gave no indication in his discourse that we are supposed to wait several thousand years for a pretrib rapture to evolve (a form of evolution in itself).

No progressive revelation about an alleged pretrib rapture. What Jesus told us in his Olivet Discourse is not good enough?

As to the epistles and Revelation, they merely give us more detail about the same post-trib coming.

Well said, thank you. There is no scriptural nor historical evidence for a pre-trib rapture. It was made up out of whole cloth by Darby.

208 posted on 11/14/2011 11:12:16 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Yes, but Quix and I believe in the rapture, which Catholics on this thread, and yourself, have stated repeatedly that you do not. Pretribs have the rapture taking place before the tribulation, two separate events before and after the tribulation. Whereas post-tribs see the rapture taking place after the tribulation, only one event is needed.

Quix and I may disgree on tribulation, but we agree on the more important issue, the millennial. As Premillennialists, we see Jesus coming to the earth to reign in the millennial. Which you as a Catholic Amillennialist do not.

Amillennialists typically believe there is no need for a “rapture,” for Jesus to gather the saints on the way down to the Mount of Olives from which he left...and from where he geve his Olivet Discourse.

No need for him to descend to the Mount of Olives as there is no such thing as an earthly millennial for him to rule over. These passages say otherwise, Acts 1:9-12, Zech. 14:4-9, and 1 Thess. 4:16,17.


216 posted on 11/14/2011 12:23:23 PM PST by sasportas
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
It was made up out of whole cloth by Darby.

I've added to the prior extensive documentation to the contrary and still you insist on posting such farcical assertions.

Sigh.

My bias is that THE TRUTH is more important than willfully blind personal bias . . . regardless.

233 posted on 11/14/2011 1:03:25 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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