Posted on 11/07/2011 7:57:34 AM PST by marshmallow
TSgt, if I remember correctly, wasn’t your sister married in an SSPV chapel?
If so, it may be better to not call it Catholic or at least specify that she was married by an SSPV priest.
That’s fair, it was a SSPV priest. Beautiful wedding cold as all get out... ;)
I’m not making anything up. You are accusing the early followers of Jesus of “making things up” to produce the written Gospels. Of course, they could not remember everything Jesus ever did, nor did they have any idea what the pre-incarnate Son might have done, unless it was recorded in the OT.
Even the great apologists of the Catholic church, like G.K. Chesterton and Hillaire Belloc, did not think that the R.C. Church was acting as the pillar and foundation of the truth in the years leading up to the Reformation.
I bet it was.
Despite my disagreements with Traditionalists, they do have beautiful chapels and ceremonies.
Why do you believe this? When was this first taught? Who taught it to you? I'm saying you have no Scriptural proof that this happened. So why do you believe it?
The Bible teaches the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth, not the Bible. The Church has assembled, defended and protected the Bible through the ages.
For a non-Catholic I’ve been to a lot of masses over the past 18 months due to weddings and funerals.
The incense always cracks me up since someone usually ends up coughing from it. My grandma choked on it at the last funeral a few weeks ago.
Though I’m not Catholic I’m always respectful to their customs as I would hope a Catholic would be if they attended one of my snake handling services. LOL! ;)
I think you’re wrong, but I’m not going to pursue this, because it does not serve the interests of the church, which is the body of believers. As I have posted before, I have stood in fields and halls, listening to great Christian music and worshipping the Lord in company with Catholics. We certainly revere the same Savior. I have great respect for the RCC, which has produced many great heroes of the faith, right up to Mother Teresa, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI in recent times. Let’s get together and defend our brothers, Catholic, Orthodox, Coptic, and Protestant, who are being persecuted around the world.
What about the letters written by the apostles at the time of Timothy? Could Paul have been referring to them? And, could those letters have been considere scripture suitable for doctrine?
What about the letters written by the apostles at the time of Timothy? Could Paul have been referring to them? And, could those letters have been considered scripture suitable for doctrine?
Lol, I’m glad to hear that.
And yes, I would certainly be respectful at your snake handling service ;)
Try diagramming that passage and tell me how you reach that conclusion.
I know you WANT the Church Christ established to be diminished in some way, because it better fits your traditions. But the clear words of Scripture show that the Church (of the living God) is the pillar and foundation of truth. The Church that is guided by the Holy Spirit to always teach the truth.
Good question. Did Paul know he was writing Scripture? I think so.
But the passage in 2 Tim clearly shows Paul was referring to the Old Testament. The relevant line is and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures The only Scripture in the infancy of Timothy, who was born in 17 AD, was the Old Testament.
How can you read it otherwise?
"But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus." 2 Tim 3:14-15
Now that the RCC is not in league with the worldly authorities, it again has begun to act in accord with the will of Jesus, who clearly stated that his kingdom was not of this world.
Then please don't call them "Catholic" without qualifying it as sedevacantist or schismatic. Rome has as much responsibility for what the SSPV does as they have for what the Southern Baptist Convention does.
As to the writings, this is, I think, relevant:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2803463/posts
Fact is there were hundreds of writings, Jewish and Christian, that did not make it into the canon (Canon meaning those writings that were used everywhere during the Eucharist.
My brother in Christ, we are all seeking the truth. I don’t believe there can be multiple versions of the Truth. We are seeking the one truth.
The Church of the apostles was definitely one: "There is one body and one spirit," Paul wrote, "just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all" (Eph. 4:4-5). Paul linked this primitive unity to the Church's common Eucharistic bread: "Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of one bread" (1 Cor. 10:17). Jesus had promised at the outset that "there would be one flock, one shepherd" (John 10:16).
Scripture clearly wants us to be ONE
We cannot be one with 10,000 versions of TRUTH. Christians can’t even agree on what the meaning of the word “is” is.
I don’t believe this is what Christ wanted, or directed his followers. Keep an open mind when you read Scripture.
Well, incense is part of a tradition that goes back to the Temple. It was a sacrificial offering. Speaking of, somehow the movies we see of the Temple never quite capture the reality of it. There was a lot of singing, and of course the burning of animals as well as the incense. So the place must have been very smokey Add that to the natural scent of human beings, and you get a noseful. Which is, I guess, I reason why the Jews literally cleaned themselves before entering the temple. So sounds, smells, etc. The screams of animals being sacrificed, plus the haggling over the price of the sacrificial offerings.
In any case. one reason for the building of churches is as a replacement for the Temple. So the high priest of the Cathedral, the bishop, wore a miter and other dress reminiscent of that of the Jewish High priest. The Reformation radical were not happy with this of course. They paid homage to only one organ of sense: the ear.
What, a Roman Catholic starting a conversation on FR simply for the purpose of bashing a non-Roman Catholic denomination?
How predictable.
Try exalting Jesus for a change, and cut down a bit on the divisiveness.
Let me present a hypothetical, which Cronos (another Roman Catholic apologist) didn’t care to answer.
On one hand, you have your church leadership and tradition saying one thing. Their scholarly position, in fact, is the standard one, accepted by most people around you.
On the other hand, you have the Word of God saying something else. A few people accept this position.
Which do you believe? The church leadership and tradition, or the Word of God?
This question is open to all Roman Catholics.
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