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To: daniel1212
Acts 15:7-9: “And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.”

And there we have it, from Peter's own lips.

314 posted on 11/06/2011 10:39:23 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

If they had the Spirit of God at that point then that is when they would have been placed into the Body of Christ. “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.” (1 Corinthians 12:13)

But true faith is one that will be expressed in baptism, if able, which normally is the first formal confession of Christ, and can be the actual time of conversion, and i think it should normally be concomitant with the conversion event, although there is no real difference btwn confessing with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, as per the promise of Rm. 10:9,10, confession being the essential aspect so even mutes can be saved, versus doing it by body language in baptism, if able. Only when one makes the latter the only way one can be born again does it become a problem, esp if you make restrict it to one particular church.

Rome does believe in baptism by desire with perfect contrition (with the desire being counted for the act), but this is disputed by some traditional RCs.


319 posted on 11/06/2011 1:38:47 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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