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To: HarleyD; boatbums; metmom; RnMomof7; smvoice; Vegasrugrat; Judith Anne; CynicalBear; dartuser

LOL!

I read your commentary and then read what the Church Father wrote and there is no connection between the two!

the epistle of barnabas doesn’t preclude infant baptism, hermas doesn’t teach once saved always saved, tertullian isn’t saying baptism is merely a “sign”, clement doesn’t say baptism has nothing to do with sin, origen is speaking of the Eucharist as true food, not baptism, jerome doesn’t say God will keep you from sinning in the future, he says God will forgive your future sins ( i didn’t know the reformed believed baptism forgives past sins, LOL! ) gregory doesn’t teach immersion only, and Augustine teaches what the Church has always taught.

i know how embarassing it must be for baptists and reformed to read these quotes and see how far their teaching on baptism is from the historical, orthodox, biblical faith of the Catholic Church.
( btw, tell me where Augustine taught there was “confusion” in the early Church on baptism )

one thing IS certain from the Scriptures and the early Church Fathers, baptism DOES SAVE YOU.
why does it save us?
1. we receive remission of our sins
2. we receive the Holy Spirit
3. we are placed “in Christ”

as St Augustine says “ the sacrament of baptism is most assuredly the sacrament of regeneration”

how anyone claiming to be a Christian can believe no one properly understood baptism for 16 centuries is beyond me, this way of thinking is straight from the pit of hell.

God is not the author of confusion.


304 posted on 11/06/2011 5:41:36 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; boatbums; metmom; RnMomof7; smvoice; Vegasrugrat; Judith Anne; ...
God is not the author of confusion.

I didn't say God was the author of confusion. Only the Catholic Church. :O)

339 posted on 11/06/2011 4:53:57 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
All of the church fathers you rely on in your post are TOO LATE. I gave you the data for the earliest fathers and it is totally devoid of instruction on water baptism, either mode or meaning.

This shows that the early church rejected baptismal regeration as there is no link between salvation and baptism. Go look it up for yourself ... the post is there ...

I assume that is why you didn;t respond to that post ... because with simple Bible software and a search engine ... you can verify my post.

347 posted on 11/07/2011 5:38:49 AM PST by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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