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1 posted on 11/03/2011 7:29:49 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Simple question really but... Why are catholics so obsessed with getting protestants to quit their church and join theirs?


2 posted on 11/03/2011 7:35:13 AM PDT by fatboy (This protestant will have no part in the ecumenical movement)
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More recent archaeological examination of the roots of Protestantism (and there are MANY roots, not just the small intellectual dispute in a couple of German states) demonstrates that the overarching problem is two fold:

(1) Most Protestant groups rose up in areas PREVIOUSLY part of the Orthodox world, or converted by Orthodox missionaries after the various schisms that separated Rome from the Church.

(2) During a long period of Western political/imperial expansion North and East Rome appears to have failed to follow up with priests trained in the Roman tradition leaving many millions of people in Congregations without clergy which allowed them to develop their own independent Christian traditions of congregational self-governance ~ later missions may have not have effectively met the challenge.

Except for the British Isles, including Ireland, and Northern France and Western Germany there were some exceptions and Rome imposed/reimposed its authority in those regions. That process has been studied to death but is still worth reading.

I suspect we haven't seen the end of studies into the Protestant phenomenon, nor is it all that readily answered by reflecting only on the experience of the Roman church. Beyond the Orthodox links OTHER earlier Christian traditions were also absorbed, or "disappeared".

NOTE: I've been reading recently about the life and times of St. Gildas ~ he's one of those "bridge people" who lived during the end of the pre-Dark Age and into the beginning of the Dark Age itself (and who may have actually seen the comet or asteroid that destroyed civilization in China, Central Asia, and Northern and Western Europe at about 535AD.

5 posted on 11/03/2011 7:49:01 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: marshmallow
What if Protestantism has forgotten that its original intention was to return to full communion with the Catholic Church when certain conditions were satisfied?

There are conditions I would have of the Roman Catholic Church that I'm sure they would not be willing to abide by. I simply don't believe as they do on some things (i.e. works + faith, the eternal virginity of Mary, the physical presence of Jesus' body in the communion wafer, etc.)

If Catholics want to believe those things, that's their choice. I don't, and so will not become a Catholic.

9 posted on 11/03/2011 8:05:47 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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What if Protestantism in its present form is the fractured remains of a Catholic protest movement that began in 1517, but which has long since forgotten not only what it was protesting, but that it was formed by Catholics, in protest over conditions and practices within the Catholic Church? What if Protestantism has forgotten that its original intention was to return to full communion with the Catholic Church when certain conditions were satisfied?

The condition being "promote true doctrine"....

Few churches ever adopted the name “Protestant.” The most commonly adopted designations were rather “evangelical” and “reformed.” ... [W]hen the word Protestant came into currency in England (in Elizabethan times), its accepted significance was not “objection” but “avowal” or “witness” or “confession” (as the Latin protestari meant also “to profess”)....unfortunate as a name because it implies that Protestantism was mainly an objection. The dissenters in their own statement affirmed that “they must protest and testify publicly before God that they could do nothing contrary to His word.” The emphasis was less on protest than on witness.
-- from the thread History Lesson: Positively Protestant

10 posted on 11/03/2011 8:11:44 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: marshmallow

The first premise ( the analogy that Protestants are like OWS) is wrong. Protestants are like the TEA Party.

I have no desire to try and turn a Catholic aaway from their obedience to Rome, I merely desire to be allowed to show my obdeniece to God


12 posted on 11/03/2011 8:42:02 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: marshmallow
Imagine starting an article with a horrendous slanderous analogy. Obviously this guy just wants to start a fight. How christian of him.

Imagine that the Occupy Wall Street protest continued for years

17 posted on 11/03/2011 8:57:43 AM PDT by DManA
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To: marshmallow

What a sad and pathetically lacking undignified and phoney comparison.

The list of abuses, fraud, paganism, Satanism and Islamic (do I repeat myself) influences still permeating the so-called-”Catholic” Church are too numerous for the character limit of this post.

I protest them not because of some idiotic 500 year old forget me not nonsense but for their very apostate deeds precipitated to this very hour.

Good day sir.


18 posted on 11/03/2011 8:58:10 AM PDT by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: marshmallow

Some of us haven’t forgotten what our brothers and sisters were burned at the stake for, and we find no basis for agreement between Christianity and Catholicism.


32 posted on 11/03/2011 9:27:57 AM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: marshmallow

If we could just get some Mormons (keeping Mitt out of it of course) in here, this could top 1000


41 posted on 11/03/2011 10:09:34 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: marshmallow

Maybe the same day when Catholics drop the nonsense and become Christians?


47 posted on 11/03/2011 10:34:47 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: marshmallow
How Would Protestants Know When to Return?

How Would Roman Catholics Know When to Return to Pure Doctrine and Sound Practice? That is the question.

50 posted on 11/03/2011 10:43:35 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: marshmallow; xzins; wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan
What if Protestantism has forgotten that its original intention was to return to full communion with the Catholic Church when certain conditions were satisfied?

The conditions were never "satisfied." In fact the RC response to the demands were to issue a series of Anathemas and declare a spiritual and physical war against the reformers.

When the Catholic Church comes back to the biblical doctrines of Grace Alone through faith alone in Christ Alone, then we can have that "full communion" the author mentions. The ball is in the court of the Catholics. The Catholic Church needs to reform.

109 posted on 11/03/2011 1:00:28 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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