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To: Cronos; fortheDeclaration; rzman21; Mr Rogers
Yet in your Calvinist philosophy that prayer is useless as:

HA!!! It's really the Arminians who can't get this together. If you really believe in the free-will of man, why would you even pray for God to change the hearts of unbelievers? God never will invoke His sovereignty over their free will, otherwise it wouldn't be free will. This has always puzzled me even before I understood the Reformed faith.

The truth is we pray that God WILL change the hearts of men. We are praying that God will change their very nature so that they will come to Him. But it's up to God to grant our prayers and we humbly submit to His divine knowledge to know what is best and perfect and just. We are not praying to override their "free will" because there is no such thing. We are praying for God to GIVE them a new heart. And if God in His mercy gives them a new heart and they come to know Christ, it is because their name was written before the foundation of the worlds but God allowed us to play a small part in it. It is no different then God giving Adam the garden to till while God knew Adam's needs and provided the growth.

God commands us to pray. God also knows what we need. The only way we know God's will is for us to pray and to see whether it is granted or not. Whatever the answer we win because we understand God's will. That is why all our prayers find their "yes" in Him.

472 posted on 11/08/2011 4:35:18 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
Calvinists continually misstate what Christians pray for, they pray that God will not give up on the individual, not that his heart will be changed.

For the Calvinist however, prayer is a meaningless ritual since they hold that God has decided everything and hasn't considered prayer occurring in time.

482 posted on 11/09/2011 2:44:03 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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