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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; smvoice; fortheDeclaration
the Apostolic tradition in the Universal Church is the final nail in the coffin. every ECF flatly states Jesus rose from the dead on the first day. they all were well acquainted with Matthew 12, but they were also well acquainted with how days were counted.

Nobody is arguing with you that the Christians worshiped on the first day of the week. That is in Scripture and it WAS in recognition of the resurrection. But they would not supersede the Jewish Sabbath. That Jesus is the first fruits is also clear. The women AND the disciples saw Jesus on Sunday in his risen glorified body but this doesn't mean that he rose on Sunday. A day was from sundown to sundown. Sunday was just getting started when the women came to the tomb and Jesus was already gone and there was NO SIGN of the legion of Roman guards set up to prevent the body from being stolen. They were GONE already. What documentation do you have that proves the first century Christians attested to Jesus being crucified on Friday?

404 posted on 11/03/2011 8:36:52 PM PDT by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: boatbums; smvoice

read Matthew 16:21 and 20:18-19, Jesus said He would rise on the third day.

now, read how Jesus counts the third day in Luke 13:32

then read Mark 16:9 that says Jesus rose on the first day of the week.

logically, put all of these verses together:

sunday = third day
saturday = tomorrow
friday = today

if Jesus rose on the Sabbath day, Christians would not have started worshipping on the first day of the week, would they?


406 posted on 11/03/2011 8:44:26 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: boatbums

I forgot to ping you to my post 405 which explains it pretty clearly, I think...but who knows? :)


407 posted on 11/03/2011 8:45:11 PM PDT by smvoice (Who the *#@! is Ivo of Chatre & why am I being accused of not linking to his quote?)
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To: boatbums
Yes, the Jewish sabbath was from sundown to sunrise.

So, Christ was crucified on a Wed and was put in the grave sometime after 6pm and rose some time after 6pm Sat, which would be the first day of the week (Jewish time)

437 posted on 11/04/2011 6:11:01 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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