Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Errors of Martin Luther's German Bible
http://www.cogwriter.com/luther.htm ^

Posted on 11/01/2011 6:08:48 PM PDT by rzman21

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 121-140141-160161-180 ... 481-489 next last
To: rzman21
No it didn't.

There was no Roman Catholic Church before the 4th century.

141 posted on 11/02/2011 1:58:24 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: rzman21
The KJB was never revised, printing errors were corrected, spelling of words modernized.

The text is the same 1611 text.

142 posted on 11/02/2011 2:00:39 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: rzman21
I might add that Tyndale was burned by the Church of England, which had separated from the Catholic Church.

Which is why Baptists oppose all church-state connections.

Unlike Roman Catholics.

143 posted on 11/02/2011 2:04:54 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: Mr Rogers
Yes, because they rejected the priesthood of the individual believers, a doctrine Luther held correctly to and written of by Peter.

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

144 posted on 11/02/2011 2:07:37 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: rzman21
Jesus gave all authority to the apostles who in turn passed on their authority to their successors.

Scripture?

145 posted on 11/02/2011 2:08:35 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: fortheDeclaration
The writers of scripture were catholic in the sense that there was the One Holy Apostolic and Catholic (i.e. spread over the known world) Church -- this was inclusive of the Christians in Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Rome, even further afield in Persia and Kerala

The Church came into existence on the day of the Pentecost. We are all in this Church of the pentecost -- you might even say all in the pentecostal Church :-P

Constantine, for all of that talk about him "creating" the hierarchy was hardly that theologically capable. His tendencies in fact were towards Arianism. The Church existed before Him and in fact the persecutions were stopped first by Constantine's partner Augustus in the West

If one says that The Church came into existence in the 4th century then how come Pope Sylvester was already at hand to approve the Council from the point of the view of the Western Patriarchate? And how come the Bishop of Rome, Sylvester's predecessor, Pope Miltiades was presented with the Lateran residence by Constantine after he came to power -- Miltiades was already Pope at that time (being Pope from 310, two years before Constantine defeated Maxentius? And how come Miltiades' predecessor, Eusebius was banished by Constantine's predecessor Emperor Maxentius in 309? We can go further back to seeing that there was both a bishop in Rome (and of course bishops in Antioch, Alexandria, etc) and Christians writing against heretics

Finally, the canon was not "well known" in its entirety before "any Council said anything" -- note "in its entirety" -- there were canons created like Marcions which just included 10 Pauline Epistles, the Gospel of Luke (rather an edited version called the Gospel of Marcion) in 140 AD -- but you and I wouldn't accept that canon today

The OT was/is taken from the Septuagint

Though the Pauline Epistles were circulating freely, not all were considered scripture by all. The Gospels on the other hand were pretty unanimously accepted.

The next "canon" was Origen's which had all the books which we have now except for James, 2 Peter, 2 John and 3 John and it had the Shepherd of Hermas as scripture.

In fact in the first few centuries there were disputes about the letter to the Hebrews as well

you can hold that +Athanasius' canon was the most accurate but that also included the book of Baruch and the Letter of Jeremiah and left out the book of Esther (367 AD). In short, one cannot say the Canon in its entirety was well known before any Council said anything

146 posted on 11/02/2011 2:12:09 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 134 | View Replies]

To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Words are added all the time in translations to make the translation make sense in English from Greek.

As long as the added word is consistent with the meaning of the text, as in the case of Rom.3:28 it is, there is nothing wrong with it.

The Geneva Bible began putting in italics to show when a word was added, and the KJB followed that method.

Faith 'alone' is how one is saved and that is consistent with Eph.2:8-9 and Tit. 3:5 to name just two.

147 posted on 11/02/2011 2:13:31 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: rzman21
Yea, that is why Tyndales bibles sold like hot cakes!

People learned to read so they could read the Bible and learned to read by reading the Bible.

148 posted on 11/02/2011 2:16:24 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Not at all, if they don't line up with scripture.

It must be embarrassing to hold to doctrines that your church has been wrong on since the 4th century.

Imagine anyone sane thinking that God becomes a piece of bread!

Behold the wafer god!

149 posted on 11/02/2011 2:19:37 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: one Lord one faith one baptism

without works=alone.


150 posted on 11/02/2011 2:20:47 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 88 | View Replies]

To: rzman21; Mr Rogers
Baptists would agree with much of that, that is why they weren't too impressed with the Protestant reformation, who persecuted them (Anabaptist's) like the Roman Catholics did.

And when the Protestant Churches wanted to set up a church state system in the U.S., it was the Baptists and other small groups that resisted and insisted that church and state must be totally separate.

151 posted on 11/02/2011 2:24:17 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: rzman21

Would you say Jerome’s Latin bible is full of errors? Since Dr. Luther taught for many years in the Catholic university, I’m sure he was well verse in what was correct.

I wouldn’t rush to trash the credibility of God’s word. God is pretty pleased in it.


152 posted on 11/02/2011 2:25:40 AM PDT by HarleyD
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fortheDeclaration; rzman21
Jesus gave all authority to the apostles who in turn passed on their authority to their successors.

Matt. 10:1,40

1And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease....13And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you...40He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me
Matt. 16:19 and 18:18 -- 18Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven

Luke 9:1 1Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. and 10:19 19Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. then Luke 10:16 16He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. and Luke 22:29 29And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; and Acts 20:28 28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

The authority comes with a price as the sub-shepherds who fail will be doubly judged by God

They have a duty to ensure that what was taught to them by their teachers and to their teachers by THEIR teachers, all the way back to Christ, is held true.

153 posted on 11/02/2011 2:26:25 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 145 | View Replies]

To: rzman21
Tyndale’s Bible was heretical and worthless apart from being a good piece of propaganda for heretical sectarians who were leading a revolution against the very fabric of Western European society.

Tyndale work was one of the greatest in English history.

He was a genius in the orignal languages as well as English and was instrumental in development of English as a language, as was Luther for German and Calvin for French.

154 posted on 11/02/2011 2:26:45 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Not the church you belong to!

The true church is one that has the true gospel of salvation by faith without the deeds of the law (alone)

155 posted on 11/02/2011 2:27:54 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: fortheDeclaration
err.. no one rejected that we are all a royal priesthood. And just as the priestly nation of Israel had ministerial priests, so too does Christ's Church

Luther and the Lutherans are correct to retain this.

156 posted on 11/02/2011 2:28:27 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 144 | View Replies]

To: rzman21
No, that isn't the 'bandwagon fallacy', it is recognizing the fruit of the work.

Germans have choices of using other Bibles and still choose Luther's.

It still speaks to them in German, as the KJB speaks to believers in English.

157 posted on 11/02/2011 2:29:40 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 92 | View Replies]

To: rzman21
Tunstall, Bishop of London, declared he could count more than 2,000 errors in Tyndale's Bible "made in Germany

Name them.

158 posted on 11/02/2011 2:33:47 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 95 | View Replies]

To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Are you kidding me?

The one baptism is spiritual baptism

1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

The only thing water baptism does is get you wet.

159 posted on 11/02/2011 2:37:36 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 109 | View Replies]

To: rzman21

No, true Baptists believe that the scriptures are their final authority, the Greek Orthodox believe their church is.


160 posted on 11/02/2011 2:39:13 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 115 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 121-140141-160161-180 ... 481-489 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson