Posted on 11/01/2011 6:08:48 PM PDT by rzman21
There was no Roman Catholic Church before the 4th century.
The text is the same 1611 text.
Which is why Baptists oppose all church-state connections.
Unlike Roman Catholics.
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Scripture?
The Church came into existence on the day of the Pentecost. We are all in this Church of the pentecost -- you might even say all in the pentecostal Church :-P
Constantine, for all of that talk about him "creating" the hierarchy was hardly that theologically capable. His tendencies in fact were towards Arianism. The Church existed before Him and in fact the persecutions were stopped first by Constantine's partner Augustus in the West
If one says that The Church came into existence in the 4th century then how come Pope Sylvester was already at hand to approve the Council from the point of the view of the Western Patriarchate? And how come the Bishop of Rome, Sylvester's predecessor, Pope Miltiades was presented with the Lateran residence by Constantine after he came to power -- Miltiades was already Pope at that time (being Pope from 310, two years before Constantine defeated Maxentius? And how come Miltiades' predecessor, Eusebius was banished by Constantine's predecessor Emperor Maxentius in 309? We can go further back to seeing that there was both a bishop in Rome (and of course bishops in Antioch, Alexandria, etc) and Christians writing against heretics
Finally, the canon was not "well known" in its entirety before "any Council said anything" -- note "in its entirety" -- there were canons created like Marcions which just included 10 Pauline Epistles, the Gospel of Luke (rather an edited version called the Gospel of Marcion) in 140 AD -- but you and I wouldn't accept that canon today
The OT was/is taken from the Septuagint
Though the Pauline Epistles were circulating freely, not all were considered scripture by all. The Gospels on the other hand were pretty unanimously accepted.
The next "canon" was Origen's which had all the books which we have now except for James, 2 Peter, 2 John and 3 John and it had the Shepherd of Hermas as scripture.
In fact in the first few centuries there were disputes about the letter to the Hebrews as well
you can hold that +Athanasius' canon was the most accurate but that also included the book of Baruch and the Letter of Jeremiah and left out the book of Esther (367 AD). In short, one cannot say the Canon in its entirety was well known before any Council said anything
As long as the added word is consistent with the meaning of the text, as in the case of Rom.3:28 it is, there is nothing wrong with it.
The Geneva Bible began putting in italics to show when a word was added, and the KJB followed that method.
Faith 'alone' is how one is saved and that is consistent with Eph.2:8-9 and Tit. 3:5 to name just two.
People learned to read so they could read the Bible and learned to read by reading the Bible.
It must be embarrassing to hold to doctrines that your church has been wrong on since the 4th century.
Imagine anyone sane thinking that God becomes a piece of bread!
Behold the wafer god!
without works=alone.
And when the Protestant Churches wanted to set up a church state system in the U.S., it was the Baptists and other small groups that resisted and insisted that church and state must be totally separate.
Would you say Jerome’s Latin bible is full of errors? Since Dr. Luther taught for many years in the Catholic university, I’m sure he was well verse in what was correct.
I wouldn’t rush to trash the credibility of God’s word. God is pretty pleased in it.
Matt. 10:1,40
1And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease....13And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you...40He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent meMatt. 16:19 and 18:18 -- 18Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven
Luke 9:1 1Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. and 10:19 19Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. then Luke 10:16 16He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. and Luke 22:29 29And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; and Acts 20:28 28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
The authority comes with a price as the sub-shepherds who fail will be doubly judged by God
They have a duty to ensure that what was taught to them by their teachers and to their teachers by THEIR teachers, all the way back to Christ, is held true.
Tyndale work was one of the greatest in English history.
He was a genius in the orignal languages as well as English and was instrumental in development of English as a language, as was Luther for German and Calvin for French.
The true church is one that has the true gospel of salvation by faith without the deeds of the law (alone)
Luther and the Lutherans are correct to retain this.
Germans have choices of using other Bibles and still choose Luther's.
It still speaks to them in German, as the KJB speaks to believers in English.
Name them.
The one baptism is spiritual baptism
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
The only thing water baptism does is get you wet.
No, true Baptists believe that the scriptures are their final authority, the Greek Orthodox believe their church is.
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