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For those of you who think, "Well, this was all yesteryear Mormonism," think again:

John Heinerman, in Temple Manifestations, pp. 101-102, Mountain Valley Publishers Manti, Utah, claims these spirits would be smiling -- or sad spirit-faced -- supposedly dependent upon whether they were being necro-baptized or not...The Lds church included this account as factual in their Lesson 34, "Joseph Smith Teaches About Baptism for the Dead" at 2004 Primary Program for children!!! (p. 197)

They teach these same kinds of "anecdotal ghost stories" as formal BYU freshman courses:
In partial answer to the question, let us review a journal entry written by Charles R. Woodbury after he had “witnessed 300 baptisms one day” in the Manti Temple: As a name was called out for baptism, a voice said to me, “This person has had the Gospel taught them and is converted and is ready for baptism.” Another name would be called out, “This person’s never heard the Gospel yet.” Another name would be called, “This person’s heard the Gospel and is not converted.” I sat there in that condition and witnessed 300 baptisms. I knew everyone of them that had accepted it and those that didn’t…25 out of the 300 weren’t ready for it. They weren’t converted and ready for the work. The rest of them, the other 275 were prepared and rejoiced that their work was being done. This is the testimony that I have to show people that the departed spirits know and appreciate when their work is done in the Temple, so they can enjoy the blessings of the Gospel (Woodbury, 1970, p. 19) (Source: p. 57 of http://emp.byui.edu/SatterfieldB/Rel%20261/261text.pdf)

Here is how Mormons incorporate the dead showing up into their Sunday School lessons:

…tried to help his other family members become converted, but they rejected him and the truths he taught. Fred settled in Salt Lake City four years after joining the Church, and he served faithfully as a missionary in several different countries. He also worked as a painter in the Salt Lake Temple. In one of his final journal entries, he wrote: “Along about the 1st of March, 1893, I found myself alone in the dining room, all had gone to bed. I was sitting at the table when to my great surprize my elder brother Alfred walked in and sat down opposite me at the table and smiled. I said to him (he looked so natural): ‘When did you arrive in Utah?’ “He said: ‘I have just come from the Spirit World, this is not my body that you see, it is lying in the tomb. I want to tell you that when you were on your mission you told me many things about the Gospel, and the hereafter, and about the Spirit World being as real and tangible as the earth…I look to you to do the work for me in the temple. … You are watched closely. … We are all looking to you as our head in this great work. (Diary of Frederick William Hurst, comp. Samuel H. and Ida Hurst [1961], 204). (Secondary Source: Lds Sunday School lesson from "Doctrine and Covenants and Church History"The Hearts of the Children Shall Turn to Their Fathers," pp. 1-2 LDS Sunday School Lesson

4 posted on 10/31/2011 6:24:19 AM PDT by Colofornian (When Lds cite 175 yo quotes, that's "spiritual" talk; when YOU cite 'em, LDS go 'calendar' on YOU)
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To: Colofornian
OK, I'll nibble, but I won't bite too deeply into your multitude of Mormon Halloween threads. I can see you're having too much fun.

I know you won't agree with the LDS understanding of these biblical references, but it's here it is, for those interested.

Isa 42: 7 to bring out the prisoners from the prison.
Obad. 1: 21 saviours shall come up on mount Zion.
Zech. 9: 11 sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit.
Mal. 4: 6 turn the heart of the fathers to the children.
John 5: 25 dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God.
Rom. 14: 9 Lord both of the dead and living.
1 Cor. 15: 29 what shall they do which are baptized for the dead.
Heb. 11: 40 they without us should not be made perfect.
1 Pet. 3: 19 preached unto the spirits in prison.
1 Pet. 4: 6 gospel preached also to them that are dead.

Happy Halloween. BOO!

5 posted on 10/31/2011 9:04:27 AM PDT by Ripliancum (Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you. -Eph. 4:31)
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