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To: mas cerveza por favor
I personally know many traditional Catholics who reject the lunacy of evolution. If anyone says that evolution has become a teaching of the Church, they are certainly in error.

You had best keep your eyes peeled. Your co-religionists on this forum are almost 100% solidly in favor of both evolution and higher criticism. And their loud proclamation of their loyalty to these two concepts never seems to be challenged by creationist Catholics.

Unfortunately, the fact is that since Humani Generis in 1950, the Magisterium now concedes the possibility of evolution, which means (as I understand it) that all Catholics much admit to this possibility in order to be loyal to the Magisterium. Even Paula Haigh considers this concession in Humani Generis to be a disaster.

504 posted on 11/01/2011 8:16:21 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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Arrg! I hate it when that happens!


505 posted on 11/01/2011 8:17:25 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Your co-religionists on this forum are almost 100% solidly in favor of both evolution and higher criticism.

There are many pseudo-conservative, modernist Catholics here on FR (modernist to varying degrees). Modernism is condemned heresy but it is so diabolically confusing, that it fools many well-intentioned Catholics. Read the 1907 St. Pius X encyclical Pascendi Dominici to understand what I mean. Warning: you had better drink a can of smart juice or be otherwise prepared for an incredibly intellectual and devastating condemnation of the underlying assumptions held by most Christians (including Catholics) today.

And their loud proclamation of their loyalty to these two concepts never seems to be challenged by creationist Catholics.

Catholics on FR are habituated to defend the Church against non-Catholics. That is commendable but unfortunately these Catholics are sometimes so confused by Modernism that they mistakenly consider criticism of Modernism to be an attack upon the Church.

Unfortunately, the fact is that since Humani Generis in 1950, the Magisterium now concedes the possibility of evolution, which means (as I understand it) that all Catholics much admit to this possibility in order to be loyal to the Magisterium.

Whoa...you jump to conclusions. The Catholic Church binds human conscience by direct, clear, and authoritative pronouncements usually involving the word "anathema." For example, the encyclical above states, "If anyone says that the one true God, our Creator and Lord, cannot be known with certainty by the natural light of human reason by means of the things that are made, let him be anathema." This follows the formula set down by St. Paul, "though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema." (Gal 1:8)

Let us examine the text of Humani Generis:

"[T]he Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter—for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God. [...] Some however rashly transgress this liberty of discussion, when they act as if the origin of the human body from pre-existing and living matter were already completely certain and proved by the facts which have been discovered up to now and by reasoning on those facts, and as if there were nothing in the sources of divine revelation which demands the greatest moderation and caution in this question."

This so-called concession toward evolution is very tepid and provisional. Non-evolution of the soul is reaffirmed and "rash" claims to the factual certainty of physical evolution are condemned. Nobody is bound by Humani Generis to accept evolution or the possibility of it. On the contrary, we are instructed to exercise extreme caution.

Even Paula Haigh considers this concession in Humani Generis to be a disaster.

Pope Pius XII was fooled into giving the Modernists an inch which they then took for many miles. However, this pope did try to clean up his mess by canonically silencing the theological proponents of evolution, such as the Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. It was not until the Vatican II popes that these heretics were fully let loose.

507 posted on 11/01/2011 10:59:37 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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