a tactic used often by non-Christians to attack Christians and the Church is to lie about what Christians actually believe. this is easy to do and often successful since many theological points are not properly understood by Christians themselves. for example, Muslims will lie about the doctrine of the Trinity by saying Christians believe in 3 gods. they know this is a lie, but they enjoy the lie more than the truth. Christians know Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and Muslims don’t know Him.
so we see the same tactic on this thread by the claim Catholics crucify Jesus anew in the Mass and He dies again. those making the charge know it is a lie, yet like the Muslims, they love the lie more than the truth.
hat tip to smvoice for post #186 where the charge is completely destroyed.
what makes this case even worse than the Muslims is it is made by those who claim to be Christian.
well, what to make of such people? Jesus tells us by their fruit you will know them. i think Jesus speaks of these people best in John 8:42-44:
42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”
if they were Christian, they would love the truth. if they were mistaken, they would post a correction and apologize for making the false charge. this is not to imply they would need to agree with the doctrine, but correctly stating a doctrine you disagree with is the Christian thing to do. as i said, they love the lie, more than the truth. you will also see the same people accusing Catholics of worshipping Mary, bread, statues, etc etc. all lies from the devil, the father of lies, all wallowed in like pigs in mud.
by their fruits you will know them.....
Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. (Leviticus 17:11; Hebrews 9:22).
The list is long. What you "teach" and what is "biblical" are two very different things.
Did or did not Jesus dispense with the need for sacrifice when He died on the cross and rose again?
Can you tell me what the gospel is?
this is easy to do and often successful since many theological points are not properly understood by Christians themselves
Does this mean we do not understand the apostasy of Rome correctly ??
the claim Catholics crucify Jesus anew in the Mass and He dies again. those making the charge know it is a lie,
You posted this quote i believe..
Pope St. Gregory the Great, Dial. IV,58: Although He (Christ) who rose from the dead shall die no more - death no longer has power over Him - still, although He is immortal and His living form incorruptible, He is being slaughtered for us in this mysterium of the holy sacrifice. Because there His body provides nourishment, His flesh being divided up, His blood pours out - no longer into the hands of non-believers, but into the mouths of believers.
"The Sacrifice of the Mass is not merely an offering of praise and thanksgiving, or simply a memorial of the sacrifice on the Cross. It is a propitiatory sacrifice which is offered for the living and dead, for the remission of sins and punishment due to sin, as satisfaction for sin and for other necessities.http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/link/e-litur.html"
Now scripture tells us there is no forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood... so lets put this together.. a pope called the mass a slaughter... (killing) and scripture tells us there is no forgiveness of sins without the shedding of blood... In the OT the work of priests was to offer sacrifices... mass is preformed by a priest...
I do not think we are the ones that got it wrong ..Mass is the re sacrifice of Christ over and over by Rome