Posted on 10/27/2011 4:05:56 PM PDT by rzman21
Hardly. Although de Rosa portrays himself as an "ex-priest" his bio states he was never more than a novice curate who left the Church long ago and under dubious circumstances. As for von Dollinger, he was excommunicated.
But their devoutness or not is not the point of the post, now is it? It is the writings of the Church Fathers and how it differs from what Rome teaches.
Yet you found it necessary to claim those two were devout several times. Seems to me you will say what ever you think it takes to make a point regardless of what the truth actually. You do realize that lying for Jesus is still lying, don't you? .
As for your two experts, well you seem to have a lot in common with them.
Taken in context here, where Jesus is addressing the assigning of titles to religious leaders here.....
Matthew 23:1-12 1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, 3so practice and observe whatever they tell you— but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 5 They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, 6and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues 7and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others.
8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. 11 The greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
That which we call a rose by any other name.
They don't *kill* Him, they just *sacrifice* Him.
And how does one sacrifice someone without killing him? Especially if you're going to be eating his flesh and blood.
Perhaps it’s time for some commentary on sola scriptura by “devout Protestant’ Scott Hahn...
I heard that the reason for some of our friends moving away was to go for RCIA classes -- for conversion to Catholicism
It's such a blessing that even the worst detractors read their Bibles and realise their errors and come to orthodoxy, rejecting their opcedious views
You don’t seem to understand, we aren’t bound by your rules, so it is fatuous in the extreme to try to project your rules on us and then sneer “hypocrisy” when we don’t abide by them.
Scripture is not the only authority the Catholic Church recognizes, it’s the only authority YOU claim to recognize, so while we are perfectly comfortable living by Scripture rightly understood, we have no need to force every contingency of life into a predetermined box that was never intended to contain them in the first place.
The Catholic Church does not condemn appeals to Scripture per se so your little dodge to avoid answering my question about where the Scriptural authority for the Protestant Reformation still stands unanswered, though I dare say your credibility and presumption of goodwill has taken quite a beating.
Do you really wonder???
He does not understand ...
Was that the ACTUAL physical body of Christ that the apostles at at the last supper?
No ,but pray for her
The catholic church did not "decide" the canon...the scriptures were in use long before Trent..
The Holy Spirit ...not the RC inspired the scriptures..and the Holy Spirit led early christians to use them and discard the false ...
The earliest biblical text found was not found in a Roman monastery but in an orthodox one... it was completed in the early 300's ..
There was no pope headship in the early church..each church had independent leadership that decided what of the letters and writings they would consider inspired and true.. there was not 'canon ' in the Roman church until Trent..
Please learn church history before ya try to argue it
Rome is a blood thirsty enemy ...ask those that dare to ask questions..
Happy Reformation day !
Reminds me of Scott Hahan ....says he was a minister ...but has no record in the church he claims ordination..
Notice no answer to this.. cause Hitler was a baptized Roman Catholic.. ya know once a Catholic always a Catholic..there is that "indelible mark" on your soul if that was holy water that sprinkled ya
If any one saith that in the Mass a true and proper sacrifice is not offered to God; or, that to be offered is nothing else but that Christ is given us to eat; let him be anathema" (Denzinger, "Enchir.", 10th ed. 1908, n. 948).
Careful there...
The Council of Trent taught that the Mass is the same as Calvary, "only the manner of offering being changed" from bloody to unbloody. Similarly Vatican II (On the Liturgy #10) said that the Mass is the renewal of the new covenant.(Fr. William G. Most..EWTN)
Now your favorite catechism
263. Q. What is the Mass? A. The Mass is the unbloody sacrifice of the body and blood of Christ.
265. Q. Is the Mass the same sacrifice as that of the cross?
A. The Mass is the same sacrifice as that of the cross.
Well I guess if one can believe Roman doctrine they can believe anything... hey I have this wonderful bridge I want to sell...
That doesn't pass the "So What" test unless you can cite me as ever quoting or referencing Scott "Hahn" or referring to him as a "devout Protestant". If you can't your comment amounts to nothing more than a desperate diversion.
Since you are challenging Dr. "Hahan"'s bona fides are you denying that he got his Masters of Divinity at the Protestant Gordon–Conwell Theological Seminary, that he got his PhD in Systematic Theology from Marquette or that he was a Professor of Theology at the Protestant Chesapeake Theological Seminary? Do you deny that Dr. "Hahan" was ordained at Trinity Presbyterian Church in Fairfax, Virginia in 1982. Have you verified his claims at each of the congregations that Dr. "Hahan" served at as a youth and pastoral minister over a 10 year period or do you want us to simply take your word for it?
Well, sister, that isn't going to happen! With your claim to have once been a Catholic daily impeached by your complete ignorance of Catholic doctrine you haven't got enough credibility for that.
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