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To: rzman21
My point all along has been that Evangelicals ought to look at the plank in their own eyes when it comes to where their beliefs square with those of the early Christians before they judge the Mormons.

A very poor attempt at moral equivalency n00b. As many have already pointed out, the variation between the beliefs of Evangelicals and the early Christians is miniscule when compared to the vast gulf that exists between mormonism and the early church.

Most of the NT was written in response to false teachers who called themselves "christian" and exposed those false doctrines they tried to bring into the early church. Are you going to tell us that you believe that the Apostle Paul had a plank in his eye when he suggested to the Galatians that the false teachers there should essentially castrate themselves?

I would point out that the context of the 'plank' reference by Jesus, it was against hypocritical judging of a persons motivations and heart attitudes. It has nothing to do with the teachings of their religion.

This same Jesus commands us to judge righteous judgement. Infact, just a few verses after the 'plank' Jesus tell us to beware “dogs” and “pigs” so that we don’t waste time giving them knowledge of God. The only way you can detect a metaphorical “dog” or “pig” is to judge other people’s actions!

BTW, in your statement, you are guilty of exactly what you are accusing others of. What gives you the right to judge?

20 posted on 10/27/2011 10:04:39 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

Have you ever read the Church fathers on matters of sacramental grace, Church authority, etc.?

Mormonism has a lot more in common with the Gnostic sects that were prevalent in the early centuries.

Perhaps the gulf between Catholicism and Mormonism might be further than between Catholicism and Evangelicalism, but that doesn’t make Evangelicalism any more orthodox.

Lutherans have retained far more of apostolic tradition, especially when it comes to the sacraments and ordained ministry than Baptists have, but that doesn’t change the heterodoxy of Lutheran beliefs about grace and Sola Scriptura.

I don’t have the right to judge your soul, but I have the right to judge your beliefs because the Church has already judged them, assuming you are a Protestant.


27 posted on 10/27/2011 1:10:52 PM PDT by rzman21
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To: Godzilla

From my perspective as a Catholic. Evangelicalism has kept half of the original loaf of apostolic Christianty while Mormonism has kept a quarter of a loaf.

But you still only have half of a loaf.


29 posted on 10/27/2011 1:32:18 PM PDT by rzman21
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