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To: betty boop
The quibble over ‘multiverse’ is odd to me, from my perspective. Certain theoreticians want to imagine whole universes with different parameters of reality, some of these parameters don't even allow for the universe to maintain physical structure for long enough to spawn galaxies. I ask myself, if such a fleeting 'universe' ever exists/existed/will exist, does it not arise from a real set ofalready existing parameters? The question hangs upon 'faith' in cause and effect. So whatever EVER has existence, even if fleeting, that thing had/has a cause.

As the ancient Hebrews understood, The Creator of all is no thing else The Creator would be the result of some cause greater or earlier than The Creator.

Until Physicists figure out how many variable expressions there are for dimension Time, and how many variable expressions there are possible for dimension Space, the argument of multiverses sifts down to someone trying to set aside the cause and effect intelligence. God's name is I AM, and I AM did not have a cause, God is The Cause.

With any Physicist I would quickly agree that there are 'parallel' continuua (Daniel Chapter Five shows that reality; Jesus leaving from the stone-blocked tomb, appearing in a locked Upper Room, etc. shows that quite plainly), but to propose multiverses, as the current crop of theoreticians are trying to do is folly of the most arrogant kind, where man seeks to eliminate The Cause from effects. I happen to believe the source of such folly is the same created being who sought to usurp God's position though it is absolutely impossible for a created being to rise above the Creator because the created can never be uncaused and thus will always be vulnerbale to effect.

238 posted on 01/23/2012 11:44:10 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl; LogicWings; bvw; marron; xzins; YHAOS; Matchett-PI; Mind-numbed Robot
...to propose multiverses, as the current crop of theoreticians are trying to do is folly of the most arrogant kind, where man seeks to eliminate The Cause from effects. I happen to believe the source of such folly is the same created being who sought to usurp God's position though it is absolutely impossible for a created being to rise above the Creator because the created can never be uncaused and thus will always be vulnerbale to effect.

Oh so beautifully, eloquently said, dear brother in Christ! I definitely catch your drift about "the same created being who sought to usurp God's position," but will not belabor it here....

I think it's fairly safe to say that many, if not most "multiverse theories" have been propounded as a means of obviating the requirement of a beginning in time for the universe. To acknowledge a beginning is to invoke an uncaused cause; and of course, "science" cannot possibly abide such an idea, so uncomfortably close to the Genesis account of God's creative Word in the Beginning, His Logos Alpha to Omega....

In the process, such theorists imagine entities — other universes organized according to principles different than those of the universe in which we humans live — that are, in principle, completely undetectable by human beings. Jeepers, maybe that's the charm for such theorists: Then NOBODY can ever prove you "wrong" about anything!

At the same time we have "string theorists" who are "multiplying entities" as needed; but entities of a sort that are wholly mathematical objects, absolutely (in principle) undetectable by direct human observation. We are speaking here of a proliferation of new spatial dimensions, which, as entities, are "curled up" into a measure less than Planck length. (Which right there tells you such critturs are simply undetectable by man in the first place.)

Thus these folks are building monuments on foundations that will forever remain elusive to the human mind's capabilities of direct measuring and imagining through ordinary human experience.

Somehow, I do not think this is a "Good Thing"....

Thank you oh so very much, dear brother in Christ, for your deeply insightful essay/post!

240 posted on 01/23/2012 2:45:07 PM PST by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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