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To: daniel1212; CynicalBear; smvoice; metmom; boatbums; caww
wresting of texts

I don't think I did any "wrestling". In fact you yourself seem to agree that one way or another the 1 Cor 3 describes a cleansing fire that occurs after death and precedes entry into Heaven.

996 posted on 11/02/2011 7:55:32 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; CynicalBear; smvoice; metmom; boatbums; caww
>where is it officially taught that one class of souls in purgatory do not need purification by purgation of “accumulated defects?” <

It is clear from verses 13 and 14: id=f there is no stubble, there is nothing to burn off. I just posted the relevant catechisms, too.

The issue is not that some have no works (that they built the church with) that burn, but where is it taught that some in purgatory do not need purification by purgation. The relevant catechisms do not teach this, but they teach the contrary:

1022 “Each man receives his eternal retribution in his immortal soul at the very moment of his death, in a particular judgment that refers his life to Christ: either entrance into the blessedness of heaven-through a purification,” or immediately, -or immediate and everlasting damnation.”

1030 “All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.”

1031.. “for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire.”

Thus purgatory is only those who need to undergo purification or certain lesser faults, being imperfectly purified. If one is pure they need no purification.

>wresting of texts <

I don't think I did any "wrestling". In fact you yourself seem to agree that one way or another the 1 Cor 3 describes a cleansing fire that occurs after death and precedes entry into Heaven.

Its "wresting," but as said, the contention was whether 1Cor. 3 is about purgatory purifying the saved by burning off their inferior works in order to gain acceptance into Heaven, with purgatorial suffering being for those who died before their purification in this life was complete. Reducing the text to be about a postmortem cleansing fire which precedes entry into Heaven ignores contention about the nature of the suffering and the loss, and its purpose, and its time of this event period. Making it into being merely declarative of a prior test, and a loss of character defects themselves, and accomplished by suffering commencing at death, is what i referred to as “wresting” (forcing it to conform) — especially the latter.

But may it edify some. Holiness unto the Lord.

1,031 posted on 11/04/2011 2:20:33 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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