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To: annalex; CynicalBear; smvoice; metmom; boatbums; caww

>You just affirmed that all in purgatory have stubble, and that is why they are there, but deny that it is clear that all in purgatory would need to have the dross of venial sins burned off, which is contrary to your statement i was responding to, that one class survives the fire unscathed, thus having nothing that needed to be burned off. <

The righteous man passes the test instantaneously because his works contain no imperfections. He needs the test, but not the purgation process.

That example of equivocation came from Staples, or where is it officially taught that one class of souls in purgatory do not need purification by purgation of “accumulated defects?”

.. still applies to "every man" and therefore not to the clergy alone.

You have confused me with CB. That was not my argument

>who has the comprehension problem<

I do, with your posts. Just re-read your last paragraph, starting with "I was arguing" and try inserting a few punctuation marks in it before you ask me or anyone to decipher it.

There is need for some interpretation of yourself as well, but I do not know why you cannot follow this:

Annalex: the reward is a reward of greater glory fon the account of their greater virtues on earth. Both kinds enter heaven, but have have different metaphorical crowns.

Daniel1212: I was arguing against the premise that the fire was in order to purify those in purgatory from the stubble you say they have, and thus the joy would be that of entering Heaven due to their perfection, but as the first class have nothing that need to be torched and lost, it is not purgatory, while again, the contrast between these and the class that did suffer loss shows that being saved is despite the loss of fruit which should have remained. And which suffering, which i believe can indeed be grievous, awaits the day of Christ and resurrection.

975 posted on 10/30/2011 5:53:16 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: daniel1212; CynicalBear; smvoice; metmom; boatbums; caww
where is it officially taught that one class of souls in purgatory do not need purification by purgation of “accumulated defects?”

It is clear from verses 13 and 14: id=f there is no stubble, there is nothing to burn off. I just posted the relevant catechisms, too.

being saved is despite the loss of fruit which should have remained

A fruit, or a crown. Yes.

995 posted on 11/02/2011 7:52:45 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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