[smvoice]

Have you just completely lost your mind? I'm not the one who LINKED the site. YOU DID. I don't know anything about the site, I've never been there. As opposed to you, I might add.

"..the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it." - The Second Vatican Council, "Dogmatic Constitution on the Church," no. 14.

Is this considered "hate speech" by Catholics toward non-Catholics? It clearly states that no one outside the Catholic Church can be saved. Sounds like hate speech to me. So do I go to every website and put Catholic Salvation in the keywords, and declare that every website that comes up with this Trent declaration is a hate website? Am I supposed to research each and every corner to make sure that something is not mentioned here that is also mentioned there? That would be ludicrous. And only ludicrous people would suggest it.

If you spent as much time in the Bible as you appear to spend at "hate sites", looking for God-knows-what, you would find your life much more pleasant. And you may even find some TRUTH.

[Natural Law]

"Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it."

Ask yourself what the motivation of those who, as Lumen Gentium narrowly declares, know that the Church was "founded as necessary" yet choose to reject it and how the anti-Catholics choose this as a rallying point for their contempt. Do you suppose that, subliminally, they too recognize the necessity of the Church and are uncomfortable with a public statement of the consequences?

I am forced to draw the parallels of this aspect of Protestant doctrine with liberalism in general. Liberalism's main thrust, whether the subject is sex, drugs, work and income, crime, the dissolution of the family, etc., is to establish a life and society without consequence. In this respect, Protestantism, for all of its facades, is fundamentally liberal.