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To: annalex; CynicalBear; smvoice; metmom; boatbums; caww


i first addressed the issue of authority

I know, but the issue was consuming the whole conversation, and the fact that the Catechism sees the scripture in question as a reference to the Purgatory closes the matter. On a thread about internal Catholic issues of authority it would have been a meaningful conversation but not here.

The issue was not consuming the whole conversation, and it was not pointless, which you relegated it to be. Issues of authority as to what is authoritative is very relevant, as Catholics can disagree with both the level of authority you give to the CCC (open to dispute?) as well as your interpretation of its reference to 1Cor. 3:15 and 1Pt. 1:7 as regards whether it uses it to support an aspect of purgatory or as directly referring to it.

Yes, these 1-11 are my posts and I stand by all of them. Observe, too, that I keep referring to the scripture while you are building free-satnding constructs that deviate from the scripture in f ocus. That I find typical of Protestant disinterest in discussing the scripture unless it, on occasion, fits their theological positions.

What balderdash! You can see what you want to see, but if anyone cares to look up the posts and verses then they should see that they are not free standing texts, which Roman Catholics are prone to use, but that i went verse by verse and also cross referenced statement with clearly conflating texts, while you are the one who relies on isolating texts from context and corresponding texts!

all you posted in response was to reduce Purgatory to “purification preceding the entry into Heaven,” for some, (“That is all the Purgatory is”), while as i have argued, that it is only one aspect needed to make 1Cor. 3 refer to being a purification commencing at death in order to enter heaven.

If I omitted "at death in order to enter heaven", that was inadvertent. As my previous post should have shown, if nothing I posted before, 1 Cor. 3 refers both to a necessity of purification and the fact that is is occuring at the point of death, when the lifelong work of the believer is complete.

What you were doing was focusing attention on a concurring aspect while omitting contradicting ones, such as shown above, and trying to argue some points while the whole in contrary to purgatory.

834 posted on 10/28/2011 4:12:21 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: daniel1212; CynicalBear; smvoice; metmom; boatbums; caww
while you are the one who relies on isolating texts

Because the text is very clear and my interpretation does not contradict any other scripture. You simply want to discuss something else because you cannot refute the fact that 1 Cor. 3 is a close prooftext of the Purgatory. Naturally, I am trying to get you to focus on the text we are discussing.

omitting contradicting ones

I explained all the seeming contradictions to you. If you still have questions, please point out where there is a contradiction. It should not take a dissertation to point it out.

844 posted on 10/28/2011 6:22:43 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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