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To: cva66snipe
"Our sins before and after receiving Grace are too be cast into the lake of fire at the end time."

OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) is even less Scriptural than Sola Scriptura. Were it in fact God breathed then this whole life and universe is an unnecessary Divine Kubuki Theater and Hitler would have been forgiven his sins had he received Grace as a young man.

281 posted on 10/24/2011 3:16:10 PM PDT by Natural Law (Transubstantiation - Change we can believe in.)
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To: Natural Law
OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) is even less Scriptural than Sola Scriptura. Were it in fact God breathed then this whole life and universe is an unnecessary Divine Kubuki Theater and Hitler would have been forgiven his sins had he received Grace as a young man.

Any person at any time can reject their salvation. There is a very, very, huge difference between sinning and the conscious act of rejecting the salvation of Jesus Christ by literally saying that there is no GOD or Christ. That is where the heart becomes so hardened toward GOD the person with full understanding rejects it. IF you are in this state when you die there is no salvation. If an event in your life brought you too this point in anger or hurt and you repent and ask forgiveness that is another matter also as I believe it can be forgiven. Yes GOD understands. The rejection of Christ is also not Preacher Jones who for his life served GOD is laying in a Dementia unit cursing GOD. Preacher Jones knows not what he does.

GOD gives us free will. Hitler made his own choice. Either the seed of salvation was planted in him and he let it deliberately die even after The Holy Spirits attempt to teach him or he never in earnest asked for it to start with. Only GOD knows the truth.

283 posted on 10/24/2011 3:33:05 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Natural Law; cva66snipe
OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) is even less Scriptural than Sola Scriptura. Were it in fact God breathed then this whole life and universe is an unnecessary Divine Kubuki Theater and Hitler would have been forgiven his sins had he received Grace as a young man.

Hitler was baptized Roman Catholic..so once a catholic always a Catholic...hey he may be in Catholic purgatory

286 posted on 10/24/2011 3:59:32 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Natural Law; cva66snipe
Were it in fact God breathed then this whole life and universe is an unnecessary Divine Kubuki Theater and Hitler would have been forgiven his sins had he received Grace as a young man.

I guess for us mortal, sinful humans the thought that an all-knowing, all-loving Creator God could know everything before anything even existed yet who still went ahead and created everything anyway is a hard thing to swallow. But I don't see any other explanation, can you? Though it may appear as "Divine Kabuki Theater" to mortal, bound by time, sinful humans, I have to accept that God has his reasons for it all. I also trust, as he promised us, that one day we will "know even as we are known" and then it WILL all make sense. But nothing is a surprise to God and his will is done whether we "get it" or not.

296 posted on 10/24/2011 7:29:22 PM PDT by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: Natural Law; cva66snipe; CynicalBear; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; ...
OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) is even less Scriptural than Sola Scriptura.

What's up with that? Don't you believe the words of Jesus Himself that we are saved for good? He says it right here. Or do you think He's lying?

John 10:22-30 22At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. 24So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." 25Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not part of my flock. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one."

Were it in fact God breathed then this whole life and universe is an unnecessary Divine Kubuki Theater and Hitler would have been forgiven his sins had he received Grace as a young man.

And that from a Catholic whose church says once a Catholic, always a Catholic?

That's FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!

301 posted on 10/24/2011 8:09:54 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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