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To: annalex
1Co 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

These are Christians...There are no unsaved people in the conversation...There is no talk of hell or outer darkness...There is no talk of punishment, only rewards...

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

It is the 'work' which shall go thru the fire...No man will go thru a fire...There is no pain nor suffering...

1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

Again, no man goes thru the fire...His work goes thru the fire...The bad works are burned up to be no more...

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

A man doesn't walk thru the fire...His works are placed in a fire pit and the bad burns, the good works abide and the man is granted rewards for the good works...

Pretty simple stuff here to read and understand...It's a matter of believing what one reads...

This is a judgment of our works done on earth before entering heaven...It's cut and dried...We can't do a thing at that time that will influence God...

No amount of praying on earth will change a single bad work into a good one...Not a single indulgance will have an effect on the outcome...

This very important information was written by Paul the Apostle...He too went thru this judgment along with Apollos and all other disciples who lived...No Christian passes around this judgment...

Paul speaks of being absent from the body and present with the Lord...There is no indication any where in the scriptures that indicate this period of judgment will take longer than a blink or two...

This judgment takes place in heaven...Abraham's Bosom which you call purgatory had the gates flung wide open...That guy you people speak about over there in Luke going to jail till the price is paid doesn't live in the church age...

He won't go to jail in this age...JESUS PAID HIS FINE...ALL OF IT...The jailhouse door is off it's hinges...

There is no purgatory...

101 posted on 10/23/2011 12:59:59 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool
Thank you for choosing the scripture in focus, 1 Corinthians 3, as the foundation of your response. It would do good for all Protestants to study the scripture and see the error of Protestantism corrected and condemned by it.

There are no unsaved people in the conversation

Indeed. The people who go through purgatory all have been saved already, as the only exit from purgatory is heaven. It would be therefore illogical for St. Paul to jumble the hell into this conversation, and so he did not.

It is the 'work' which shall go thru the fire...No man will go thru a fire... There is no pain nor suffering [this opinion is repeated three times]

Well, there is a suffering of loss in verse 15. Also recall that the believer himself is said to be a building in verse 9. So it is true that the inferior works are burned, but the entire building, that is the entire man is tested by fire. The good works remain, like gold and stone are not damaged by fire, and the inferior works, such as stubble, burn off. The test of fire is however applied to the whole of the building, that is to the whole of the man.

Pretty simple stuff here to read and understand...It's a matter of believing what one reads...

Yes. Generally, while much in Catholicism is very detailed and very complex theology, the Catholic faith is accessible, simple, and readily present in the Holy Scripture, unlike the Protestant's deceptive convolutions over every word.

No amount of praying on earth will change a single bad work into a good one

That is not why Christians pray for the dead souls in purgatory. We pray to ease their passage, like you pray for any traveler.

That guy you people speak about over there in Luke going to jail till the price is paid doesn't live in the church age...

The parable is in the scripture and the scripture is for our instruction today. When Christ gave us this parable he was preparing us for the Church Age. It is rather characteristing of Protestant deception to take out of the Gospel anything they don't like in it, on the grounds that Christ's words somehow do not apply to us.

The parable of unmerciful debtor can be read as a temporal judgment by a court of men, but there is no reason to ignore the implications of it for the judgment by God after death. Christ did not tell the parable to remind us of the existence of tort law, so we should seek for a higher meaning in all His teaching.

As the the duration of the purgatorial process, we should remember that the souls in purgatory already live outside of time. We know that the amount of purgatorial suffering somehow is proportional to the amoung of purgation that is necessary, so our mind natually thinks of it as having a certain duration, by analogy with fire that needs time to burn the stubble off. However, one could believe, like you do, that the purgatorial cleansing is instantaneous. In fact, the Pope recently reminded us of this possibility.

142 posted on 10/23/2011 8:32:07 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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