Posted on 10/22/2011 1:21:35 PM PDT by NYer
Catholics get a bad rap for thinking we somehow “merit” or “earn” our own sanctification (and salvation) through “works” that we do. But that’s a misunderstanding of what the Catholic Church actually teaches. Our sanctification (our being made holy) happens only by the Grace of God. But it does require a response on our part. We must cooperate with it. This submission to and cooperation with God’s Grace, Catholics call a “work” and it takes various forms.
Some identify this response to God’s grace as a kind of “saving” or “justifying” faith (a faith that produces or is accompanied by works of conversion, hope and charity) as opposed to a “work” – something we do. Such a position is reconcilable with Catholic teaching once we understand each side’s terminology. On the other hand, I think it’s confusing to refer to this cooperation with and submission to God’s Grace as simply “faith alone” – which is one reason Catholics don’t refer to it that way (and probably one reason the Bible says we are “not” saved by “faith alone” – James 2:24).
Anyway, here Fr. Barron speaks a little bit about some of these sanctifying practices of the Church and what we mean by “Purgatory” (an extension of that sanctification) in the super-natural sense.
What the Church means by purgatory? - Watch You Tube Video
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Explore the Church’s conviction that life here and now is preparation for an extraordinary world that is yet to come – a supernatural destiny. Father Barron presents the Catholic vision of death, judgment, heaven, hell and purgatory as he journeys to Florence, Ireland and Rome.
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No, purgatory itself is not joyful. The Bible clearly describes it as a “loss” as it deprives the faithful, albeit temporarily, from abiding with Christ. The joy is realized when the soul is released and enters heaven, not before.
Oh, I’m sure the One in command already knows.
If I ask you to make the list of your good works and bad works and based on that list let you in my house or not, sure, I would have judged you.
Matthew 25:31-46
Now wait a minute. What about those members of the church the Body of Christ that are in purgatory, according to your Church? Part of the Body is in heaven, part on earth, and part in purgatory?
Obviously.
As far as I know, the NAB is the Bible used in worship (at least at Masses) in the US. There is a Catholic RSV which I use for my studies.
I think sometimes people ignore what Jesus said all those times he used the word "believe". They read in Scripture where the demons are said to believe and tremble and presume that Jesus meant something much more than that. As to demons believing, I don't see that they have any choice - they've seen it since they were first created and to deny God exists would be ridiculous. But Jesus did not come to redeem demons, only mankind, because only humans can be redeemed. For demons, they made their choice already and there's no going back.
We also should understand that "belief" is more than simple agreement or what's called "head knowledge". Since we have not seen God, as all the angels (fallen or good) have, to really believe is also a step of faith. We are exhibiting faith in what we do not see but we are stepping outside of logical proof into the realm of faith and then, hope. So whenever Jesus said believe and you will have eternal life, he was talking about that stepping out and trusting, accepting what God says, and that is way more important to him than what we DO. The beauty of this is after we do make this step, God proves himself to us, reveals himself, so that we know that we know. This is hard for some people to understand because they claim they will only believe if they have tangible proof. They say "seeing is believing". But God says "believing is seeing" and like you said, our lives are changed because we ARE new creations in Christ.
Here’s the verse you asked about.
2 Tim. 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. (New American Standard)
2 Tim. 2: 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (KJV) You might be interested in reading this.
“Several early scholars and printers, including early Protestant leaders Erasmus, William Tyndale and Martin Luther, worked to translate the original Greek Bible into their own respective languages, and in so doing found differences in textual meaning that troubled them deeply.”
Read more: What Are the Differences Between a Protestant Bible and a Catholic Bible? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_8277307_differences-protestant-bible-catholic-bible.html#ixzz1c2VwyBmr
From what I can find much of what we use has been rearranged and changed for the Catholics. Some of it slightly some rather drastically. One claring example is the ten commandments and the ones I’ve already posted. They have no “thou shalt not have any graven images” it looks like.
I disagree. Those in purgation know they are saved and that their purging is for their good. I think they are joyful in their loss.
Thanks for the search. Yeah, they “disappeared” the 2nd Commandment. Can’t have that and statues everywhere, it just wouldn’t be right. Something had to go, and it looks like it was the Commandment.
Not THIS again! This is the same silliness that's been tried numerous times and you SHOULD know by now that NO ONE is calling Roman Catholics "arses". In fact, I doubt anyone even knew that little factoid (a questionable one) until you said it. The Moderator has also told you the same thing. Instead of trying to find offense in everything, why not accept that RC is just an acronym for Roman Catholic. Which, if I remember, you found fault with that one too.
Nope. Not the NAS. The NAB. It’s an in house version and of dubious quality. But there is a Catholic approved RSV. The only difference I noted is that when an alternate reading is in a footnote in the regular RSV, it will be in-line in the text while the other meaning is in the footnotes.
Yeah, they “disappeared” the 2nd Commandment.
Wrong. The first is conflated with the second (but the text does not go away and the prohibition against idols is right there)and the tenth is broken into two parts and we’re not the only group to do that.
They’re having fun scaring themselves. After all, it’s almost hallowe’en.
That’s Cute! LOL
Must be it. They just know there must be a boogie man in there somewhere...
I’m sorry you’re illin’. I’ll be prayin’ for you.
Then the question is WHY? Why were the first two commandments condensed into one? And the tenth broken into two parts? If the second was made part of the first, then it would be necessary for another to be split in order to end up with ten. But why merge the first and second? I’ll trust your reasoning on this..maybe..if it’s good..:)
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